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Old 09-24-2014, 01:37 AM   #21
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After stink eyeing every vashon troller I've seen in se alaska for the past 6 or so years. I found one on the hard that I maybe able to get for a fair price considering her condition. She's the barebones version built for commercial fishing with the hold in the stern deck and the engine forward. Keel cooled, dry stacked sabb w/ 500 hours. She was never really outfitted, just a huge diesel range and a chart plotter. Going to need a new interior, sound deadening material and some serious tlc to square her up.

Part of the reason I'm posting after lurking for a long time is I can't send a pm till I post. If the owner of sherpa sees this, shoot me a pm, I've got a few questions about what you may have run into.
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Old 09-24-2014, 07:31 AM   #22
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Old 09-24-2014, 10:43 AM   #23
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Glad to learn there is another Vashon fan and potential owner--I feel quite alone! I may be biased, but Vashon's are simply excellent pocket trawlers. Full displacement, solidly build, and great lines. A 29HP Volvo moves Sherpa at 5-6 knots and burns around 1/3-1/2 gallons per hour. I've personally handled very rough water to include 6-8 foot seas. They turn heads and always get plenty of stares/comments. I have the study plans and it appears that Sabb diesels were standard--great slow turning diesels! I also communicated via e-mail with the original builder/owner of Vashon Boat Works not too long ago.

I'll PM you shortly.
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Took me awhile to find one of these micro trawlers-trollers. Tough, sea worthy looking boat....now make it 44 feet long pushed by a 120-175 hp deer or 90 hp with a controllable pitch prop. Twin cabin, nice galley and so on.
As is fits a nice nich, especially if the cruisers are small people. 6-4 250lb er gonna have issues.
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Old 09-24-2014, 12:26 PM   #25
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sabb w/ 500 hours.

sound deadening material

Unless you really like noisy, vibrating, old stuff that breaks and the parts are in Norway.....I would seriously consider a modern engine. Of course it depends on how you use the boat, but if you intend any lengthy (more than one day) cruises, living with the sabb will get old quickly. If you just want to get from here to there or jig up a cod, it's fine. Sound deadening will do very little, the engine is hard mounted and most of the noise comes from the whole boat vibrating. A nice little Kubota will be so much better, smooth, quiet, and it starts pefectly when you turn the key.....
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I would not be surprised if an original Sabb would not stress break the aluminum welds as you on the deck looking for your dental fillings
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In the same vein, only better.....

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Took me awhile to find one of these micro trawlers-trollers. Tough, sea worthy looking boat....now make it 44 feet long pushed by a 120-175 hp deer or 90 hp with a controllable pitch prop. Twin cabin, nice galley and so on.
As is fits a nice nich, especially if the cruisers are small people. 6-4 250lb er gonna have issues.
I'm a solid 5'10" and my wife is 5'3", which I consider fairly normal. I am fortunate to have an athletic build but folks who have acquired much girth over the years will be uncomfortable on a smaller boat. We fit fine and there is plenty of room for a two to three day excurision. V-berth is roomy with plenty of leg room for an average size guy. I have a sink, water pump, 40 gallons of fresh water, A/C, heater, and storage galore. Would I want a bigger boat? Nah, too much time and expense for a younger working couple. I love going small, economical, and make no apologies.
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Not through my eyes!
I have never had the laying on of hands with a Vashon, but I have with a maple bay 30. The fit, finish, attention to detail is incredible. Long and skinny with deep draft. Suspect para vanes would tame the bronc in rough water. The one I saw in BC impressed the hell out of me. Pretty small, likely tough to live aboard.
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I'm just playfully kidding. That is indeed a beautiful boat. My wife and I have often wished for 4 or 5 more feet; but I wouldn't give up my little trawler for the world. Plans are to install a holding tank and macerator; but I simply cannot pack any more amenities into her without compromising storage. We discussed with the yard adding a small generator (I have a fairly large engine room for a 24') but that is a long way off.
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TAD- Had to chuckle, Looked at a 34 foot "New" old time design commuter fantail constructed at the Port Townsend wood boat school. It had a Saab single cylinder engine. Asked if the hull speed of 6 knots could be realized? Sure could! So on the sea trial in Lake Union, we started out "Poppity Poppity Pop" out into the channel. Then with a GPS we increased speed. My God! The noise and vibration was incredible just incredible!
The wood stove top was a shaking and jumping. You could have popped popcorn on the the stove. The engine was exposed with a brass railing surrounding. That big flywheel was a spinning, the windows were a'shaking. The GPS showed 5.5 knots. The sales fellow, then said, "Well, what do you t-t-t-h-i-n-kkkk?"
The damn boat was a classic and real eye candy, it eventually ended up on Lake Tahoe as a tour boat if one is to be believed.
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Unless you really like noisy, vibrating, old stuff that breaks and the parts are in Norway.....I would seriously consider a modern engine. Of course it depends on how you use the boat, but if you intend any lengthy (more than one day) cruises, living with the sabb will get old quickly. If you just want to get from here to there or jig up a cod, it's fine. Sound deadening will do very little, the engine is hard mounted and most of the noise comes from the whole boat vibrating. A nice little Kubota will be so much better, smooth, quiet, and it starts pefectly when you turn the key.....
Yes. The sabb is a marvel and amazing to look at and watch tick away, that said I don't want to live with it. The beta 25 (Kubota block) is already on my radar as i can stick with the keel cooler and dry stack, where in my region makes the most sense.

I'd like to hear the case for going with a 30 hp engine hopefully vashon will chime in.

This is all speculative at this point, going out with the surveyor this weekend to see if he can talk me out of it. I don't relish the idea of recoring another cabin top and I know that has to happen on this boat.

Vashon you ever weighed yours? I've seen numbers ranging from 5700-6500 and not sure if that's dry weight or displacement.
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I've seen that one but it's a world away and 10x the price of a dirty vashon.

Besides, just not as jaunty.
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Close Call,

Your range is not far off. Displacement as stated in my plans is 3 tons but this seems on the light side. According to my notes, actual displacement of Sherpa is closer to 7000 pounds.

My Vashon is powered with a 29HP Volvo Penta (Perkins). Prop is 16x8 on a 1.25" shaft. Given her FD hull, a 20HP diesel would certainly suffice and you would easily achieve hull speed under ideal conditions; however, there have been many, many times (e.g., foul weather) I was thankful to have the extra HP. I cruise at 2700 RPM or so--anymore and the bow begins to lift. Your beta 25 is a good choice. I personally wouldn't go lower though. How much room for the engine? I've never seen the engine compartment of the commercial fishing version. Incidentally, there were also different size wheel houses. Some commercial versions had smaller wheel houses to provide more deck space.

Cabin top is balsa core but everything else should be foam. I haven't run into any surprises or signs of poor workmanship. Vashons are relatively simple and straightforward. I've had two marine surveys conducted and all checked out fine. They are definitely "jaunty" and overbuilt given their commercial roots.

Look forward to hearing more about the survey and your decision!
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How much room for the engine? I've never seen the engine compartment of the commercial fishing version. Incidentally, there were also different size wheel houses. Some commercial versions had smaller wheel houses to provide more deck space.

Cabin top is balsa core but everything else should be foam. I haven't run into any surprises or signs of poor workmanship.

Look forward to hearing more about the survey and your decision!
The engine compartment on one I'm looking at is 80% in the pilot house and 20% under the rear deck. Not ideal placement for a sabb but not bad for a Kubota with most all user serviceable parts right up front. I plan on measuring the beds and compartment size this weekend, the sabb is a 2g, which is pretty large.

Having the engine forward definitely hogs some living space but the fish hold is an awesome storage area, the hatch is large enough to swallow shrimp and crab pots not to mention spare anchors/chain, tools and the option for additional tankage.

Interestingly enough the one I'm looking at has the long house and a hold I'm not sure I've ever seen this layout before. It also has a set of smaller windows in the house aft of the large ones, never seen this on any other vashons. From the looks of the boat I'd guess it was purchased as a bare hull with engine and tanks installed. The owner build a plywood box to hide the engine and called it good. No interior is better than a trashed one.

The boat appears to be three pieces a hull molding, the deck molding and the cabin top. That leads me to hope the only water in the cabin is in the top.
I had no idea the decks were foam cored. I noticed there is one crappy repair to the rear deck and I won't know whats under there till I tear into it. It's near the steering hydraulics under the little aft deck. The appearance of that rusty ram does not inspire confidence. Have you updated Sherpa's stealing system?

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Closecall,

Great you are looking at one with a longhouse. Let me clarify a bit, the wheel house/cabin is foam with exception to the cabin top. I remember thinking this was odd when the windows were re-sealed. Decks are balsa core. You will definitely have tons of room. My engine is aft and the space is still more than plenty. I used it for anchors, diesel tanks, and tools as well. Yes, there are pretty much three pieces as you noted--water intrusion from the top should be limited there. Hydraulics were all replaced when Sherpa was repowered to include an additional helm/more control station aft, which I use 99% of the time. Watch for gelcoat crazing/cracks on the decks port/starboard amidships--mine was pretty bad and needed work. Fortunately, I didn't have to reinforce the decks and the restoration has held up well. Sherpa is on the hard at the moment and one of the projects is replacing the old stuffing box--I'll likely go traditional but I'm being slowly convinced to go dripless. Gunwales were replaced with Trex decking. A bulkhead with a service/inspection opening was added aft just in front of the rudder shaft and underneath the aft seat to reinforce the deck. I highly recommend you do this if possible.

Hope the inspection goes well!
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Keep posting those links to the Vashons you find. Great looking boat and love the economy. Now if one would just come up here in Washington!
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Close Call,
I converted a fish boat to cruiser years ago by removing the GMC 6 cyl truck engine that was right in the middle of the cabin (fwd) prior to purchasing a 4 cyl Palmer engine and putting it in the middle if the fish hold ... midships or a bit aft.

Both engines were gas. The GMC was a converted truck engine 302 cu in disp. GMC was about 140hp and the little Palmer 25. This was about 1970. In sea trials the Palmer had no trouble pushing the 29' wood fish boat w full keel. She went well past the point where the bow started to rise.

Most boats are better balanced w the CG a bit aft where the hull is more full to support the weight. That's very much the case w my Willy. Don't like to run w the full aft water tanks (100gal) empty. I try to keep then fairly full. It's easy for us as were low water users.
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Well after all that at this point the owner and I are not able to reach an agreement.

The surveyor and I crawled throughout the boat for most of the day and while nothing earth shattering came from it, it slowed me down enough to process each job that needed to be done and look at the big picture. She's relatively sound but we located water ingress points and the extent of associated delaminations in the decks. while a relatively easy fix it would be time consuming project. The sealed fishhold as built, is part of the problem, it's all glassed in and didn't allow the rudder shaft area to vent moisture.

There is some water damage at the companionway and a small rebuild of the joinery work would be required but not too bad. Closer inspection showed this is a factory finished boat and the worst layout of the half dozen I've been aboard. The Dickerson stove (large enough for a 40 footer) takes up most of the port side of the cabin and then a cabinet with sink and diesel tank are aft of that and flush against the engine box. Hard to explain but stupid none the less.
Cabin top wasn't as bad as initially though but a project to patch up.

That's along with 34 years of half ass patches that I'd have to redo in order to keep my sanity. I've built wooden boats and done complete refits on glass ones so for me it's doable, but in my locale summers are short and I can either refit or fish and cruise I chooses the latter. If I lived in Florida and could do boat work in the winter or had a heated shop I'd probably pull the trigger.

I'm more enamored with the design than ever, just not this one. I got to read all the old letters between the builder and the owner, which is neat and got to see the old brochures and manuals for everything.

Vashon Trawler: the manual states 5700 lbs minimum displacement
and 8000 max!

Mr Roberts: what do you figure a real world best guesstimate to have one of your Tanu 24s welded up, just the bare hull, deck and house and aluminum tidbits. I've learned it's easier to build than tear out and rebuild.

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