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Old 10-15-2013, 10:56 PM   #1161
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Good to see you tucked in at Chesapeake City. Whats the next stop? How were the current coming up Delaware bay. Tide timing is everything for the Delaware bay.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:37 PM   #1162
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I hit the tide perfect. High tide at Reedy Point was at 9:00. We got there at 8:53. 8+knts up the bay and 8+ down the canal. I've run the Delaware many times and only once did she match her reputation. My experience is you need to work your timing based on Reedy Point.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:39 PM   #1163
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Next stop Baltimore to let off my Dad who has been with us the last few days. Then it's on to St Michaels and Annapolis
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Old 10-16-2013, 04:05 AM   #1164
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Doing the zig zag down the bay?
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:00 AM   #1165
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Dropping my dad off in Baltimore so he can get back home to Raleigh. Then it's Annapolis for some RR and recharge my son's batteries for his run at getting into the Naval Academy next year and somehow he's managed to swing escorting two girls to homecoming. Then probably St Michaels then Deltaville.
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:08 AM   #1166
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:14 AM   #1167
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:47 AM   #1168
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Cape May inlet yesterday when we came in. Ship John Shoal lighthouse in the Delaware Bay last night. Both shots taken by my son.
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Old 10-16-2013, 08:49 AM   #1169
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Sorry Ben, I was not the one who suggested that the guy who let his kid jump overboard in 6-10' seas was making up the size of the waves. I take him at his word ... you can call him a liar if you like but I just call it really bad judgement, right up there with keeping the family onboard while anchoring in the path of a hurricane, or intentionally sailing into one.

More and more this sounds like a future Robin Walbridge, defended by those who don't know any better and probably on the road to killing someone.

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My two cents, OK more like two dollars

Yesterday, I was on the Fifth Ave bus. Getting on with me at 96th st., was a mother, probably about 40 you, and her daughter, maybe 2 y.o.
I sat opposite them for the next 30 minutes. After a while it became painful, because the kid was acting like a kid: she wanted to hold the bag they had, she then wanted to eat the yogurt her mother had, she then was mimicking sounds of the automated announcement “please exit at the rear of the bus”.
The problem was the girl, while precocious, was just being a kid. It was the mother who was embarrassed by her kids, behavior, noise, etc. So she kept admonishing the kid to act “correctly”. This then escalated to tantrum type behavior, but thankfully only for a minute before the next thing came up.
So, then, finally the mother relents and lets her have the yogurt, but then proceeds to feed her like a real baby. Why, because she was afraid the girl may spill it. A valid concern, but my not allowing the child to do anything, she was in effect teaching her all the wrong behaviors.
The conclusion that many studies have revealed, is that older parents, while far better financially and economically, are actually worse for the child’s growth. They know too much, so they become too protective and are embarrassed by actions that are normal.
On a related note and the point of this story, is that teenagers are an invention of the 20th century. For hundreds of thousands of years, there were children, who became adults at puberty, 14-16 years old. One of the reasons were are having troubles in middle and high schools, is that we are treating kids like children, when they are not. Don’t misunderstand, I’m not saying kids have any sense, but am saying that if you protect them from everything, they will not learn. The consequence of that is that we have growing generations of adults who in their 30’s and 40’s still act like kids, because they were over protected when they should not have been.
Learning comes with risk and sometimes even loss, injury, etc. If you remove that, you end up with no learning.
Coincidentally, I am just reading book hat mentioned a 19 year old, who was the first captain to sail a crewed sloop around the world in 1794. I wonder what he was exposed to at 17?
So my point, just because we can protect our kids from risk, doesn’t mean we should. (Just look at the raising of the drinking age, 30 to 40 years ago, and the unintended behaviors that has developed)
Lastly, to make a judgment on behaviors, based on a few line description that was written for another purpose, is probably not that reasonable.
Thankfully, I came from a generation in which my parents let me grow and learn. In NYC, I was taking the city bus, alone, to and from elementary school by second grade. Nowadays, there are long lines of SUV’s idling outside, waiting for their kids, and more of those kids will die in car accidents, than ever died taking the city bus alone. But then, now we can, so we do.


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Old 10-16-2013, 08:53 AM   #1170
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Actually the DF 48 has quite a curve about (10" or so over the 14') stern to the transom, making it quite kindly in following seas in comparison to some other un-named vessels. I saw one of Art's earliest vessels this summer and it was nearly canoe sterned. As the years progressed his designs became more contemporary, I'd bet Tad Roberts could educate us on the pros and cons of these two extremes.

I have found that throttling up to about 8.7 knots and 1900 RPM smooths out following seas giving the rudders additional bite so the AP can work more efficiently. Daddyo, you'd be amazed at what the active stabilizers do for roll mitigation on the DF 48.
Your very right about the curve. I really meant in comparison to a canoe stern. I became intimately familiar with that curve as I tried to bend the slats for the swim platform I built last year out of Ipe. Ipe is strong as steel and just as flexible.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:10 AM   #1171
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So my point, just because we can protect our kids from risk, doesn’t mean we should.
I guess I should have said "crewmember" if the "teenager" description is somehow supposed to invalidate my point. It is equally irresponsible to let an adult jump over the side in 10 foot seas. This has nothing to do with parenting and everything to do with seamanship and good judgement while operating a boat with passengers onboard.

It's not like it was life-saving effort. Even if it was, that kind of unplanned and unprepared attempt by an untrained and unequipped person all to often ends up with 2 dead instead of just one.

If the seas were too rough to put the larger boat close enough to put a line on the tender then what was the plan to recover an exhausted and hypothermic swimmer?
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It is equally irresponsible to let an adult jump over the side in 10 foot seas.................

If the seas were too rough to put the larger boat close enough to put a line on the tender then what was the plan to recover an exhausted and hypothermic swimmer?
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Daddyo,

Very nice pix. It's a lot of fun following your trip.

I must of missed it somewhere, but did you post a quick summary of your itinerary or a float plan?

The shots of Manhattan were excellent. I cruised the area frequently, but never at night, perhaps the #1 reason is the debris I see during daylight. But, from the experience point of view I'm sure it was awesome. I love night cruising, just never did around the city,

I wonder why did you decide traveling at night? How many miles were you planning to cover in a single leg?
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I guess I should have said "crewmember" if the "teenager" description is somehow supposed to invalidate my point. It is equally irresponsible to let an adult jump over the side in 10 foot seas. This has nothing to do with parenting and everything to do with seamanship and good judgement while operating a boat with passengers onboard.

It's not like it was life-saving effort. Even if it was, that kind of unplanned and unprepared attempt by an untrained and unequipped person all to often ends up with 2 dead instead of just one.

If the seas were too rough to put the larger boat close enough to put a line on the tender then what was the plan to recover an exhausted and hypothermic swimmer?
6' not breaking with decent frequency at the time. 20' swim. Marathoner, wrestler, weight lifter 17yr old stud. 73 degree water. No way to hook the front of a whaler only the engine, which would have sunk it. Can you please get your head wrapped around the reality and not your vivid imagination? Now for God's sake please move on to the many topics on which you do have valuable information to share.
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Old 10-16-2013, 11:24 AM   #1176
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Daddyo,

Very nice pix. It's a lot of fun following your trip.

I must of missed it somewhere, but did you post a quick summary of your itinerary or a float plan?

The shots of Manhattan were excellent. I cruised the area frequently, but never at night, perhaps the #1 reason is the debris I see during daylight. But, from the experience point of view I'm sure it was awesome. I love night cruising, just never did around the city,

I wonder why did you decide traveling at night? How many miles were you planning to cover in a single leg?
Several reasons for the night passage. Had to time the current, had to wait for a weather window, wanted to show my dad the once in a lifetime view of the city at night, wanted to get a crew member south to a scheduled drop off. Had to complete the offshore leg before a forecasted front. With the city lights and the moon it was very easy to see the water and any possible debris. If you ever get the chance I would highly recommend it. The other added benefit is much less ferry traffic. My wife is aware of our daily float plan. No daily schedule we let weather and conditions decide how far we want to go. It might be several days nonstop or many hours.
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Great photos! Can I "borrow" a copy of Liberty?
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... please move on to the many topics on which you do have valuable information to share.
I'll try one more time, the previous response to that post seems to have vanished into the ethers.

One of the topics on which I have valuable information is marine safety. If my pointing out the danger of such acts serves to make one boater stop and think about letting anyone or suggesting that anyone jump over the side for any reason then it is valuable information.

Recreational boaters kill themselves and others for the same reasons in the same way year after year after year, maybe it is because no one likes to hear about how stupid the reasons and ways are.

Why do some readers want to silence the message rather than question the wisdom of those who want to defend the act?
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Great photos! Can I "borrow" a copy of Liberty?
Thanks and your welcome to but please give credit and don't sell
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