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Old 08-17-2009, 09:59 PM   #21
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

Carey,
Wonderful picture* ..* your new avitar. Must be the best avitar on the forum. Even I can see it's Turn Point. How did you take it? Could you post it so we can see it larger? Perhaps Marin will get a new avitar** ...* and pull up his fenders.

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Old 08-17-2009, 10:13 PM   #22
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Time for a break from working on the boat.

EricThanks for the kind words on the avatar. Marin took the picture from his boat. We were headed into Prevost Harbor. Here's that photo for you.
The last photo is Marin with his fenders up!!!


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Old 08-18-2009, 12:02 AM   #23
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Time for a break from working on the boat.

Keep in mind that those photos Carey posted are massive Photoshop jobs. On the two photos of his boat I had a hell of a time masking out the rain and fog and gray sky and log-infested water and keying in sky and sunlit water and foliage from a job we did on the south island of New Zealand a few years ago. Carey obviously did the same on the three photos he took.

Here are a pair of completely unmodified shots I took just before I took the photos of Carey's boat. This is what the weather normally looks like around here.* Actually, this was a pretty nice day for around here.* The log with the two gulls is pretty small for these waters.* Harder to see but there's a better chance of missing it.So you can see why it took hours of digital manipulaton and replacement to create Carey's avatar picture.....




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Old 08-18-2009, 08:09 AM   #24
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

Carey & Marin:

Great pictures! Yes, I like Carey's new avatar.

Marin's boat looks like an ad for his canvass shop and would make a slick avatar also. <grin>

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Old 08-18-2009, 11:17 AM   #25
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

Our boat spent all its life in California until we liberated it and trucked it north. All the canvas you see came with the boat. Given the rainforest of teak American Marine used on their earlier boats, both wood and fiberglass, I can understand why previous owners invested in the canvas. There is also a full cover for the transom and covers for all the windows. My wife has made a few more--- for our new windlass, the nameboards on the flying bridge, and other odds and ends as well as repairing the orignal canvas when the seams start to go (she uses Tenara thread which is damn near indestructible). All the canvas is at least 12 years old and the full flying bridge cover is much older than that. I'm amazed at how well it all has held up. The fabric is all fine--- the only things that have given up have been seams and since my wife gets on them right away with the Tenara, the canvas is like the Energizer Bunny and keeps going and going and going.

Our boat is not kept under cover and we never run from the flying bridge so the flying bridge cover is up year round. I expect to lose it every year and every year it surprises us by surviving all the storms that can gust up to 70mph.

I don't mind varnishing and whatnot---it's actually rather relaxing--- but in the winter we put all the rail covers on and leave them on until sometime the next summer when we'll take them off. This summer we've been too lazy to remove and store them so they're still on the boat. We have friends coming from France to go with us on a three-week cruise in BC so we'll take the covers off for that. It used to really bug me, taking the boat out with the rail and transom covers on it, so we'd take them off and then put them back on when we got home. I'm not self-conscious about it anymore and since we've been working on other projects (rebuilding some window frames and so on) it doesn't bother me to leave them on when we go out.
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Old 08-18-2009, 11:25 AM   #26
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

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I'm so sorry that you can't ever*go outside without your rain slicker on.* You must have prune skin and fungus growth everywhere.*

Having grown up in Hawaii if I never see sun again it will be too soon.* I've had more than my quota. The grayer and rainier and snowier it gets the happier I am.* The only thing I don't like is wind--- it screws up both boating and floatplane flying.* Maybe it's because of my flying (in another life I used to use my instrument rating) but we have no qualms taking the boat out in zero visibility.* So the 24/7/365 fog up here doesn't bother us.

One thing you don't see here much are burnt up,*leather-skinned people.* And a friend told me not long after I moved here that a benefit of our wet climate, at least for the girls, is beautiful hair without the need of a chemistry set to keep it that way.* From what I've observed she seems to be right.

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Old 08-20-2009, 07:20 PM   #27
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

Carey and Marin,
It's obvious I'm going to have to learn about "Photoworkshop". Don't know about these things. I plan on taking a better Avitar picture but I've got to wait for perfect weather and I need to get that dinghy off the cabin roof. Also I need the boat to be in near perfect trim. I didn't know/forgot that my water tanks were empty and I would have a bow down trim** ..* not good for photos. In the picture of your boat it looks like yours may be a bit bow down as well. It's strange that I didn't notice it untill I looked at this picture. When I worked at Uniflite my personal boat was the photo chase boat and we saw through various ballast seneraios (while sea testing the 28' prototype hull) the subtle differences in attitude caused by ballast changes. When I filled the water tanks in the stern the bow came up 2 or 3". I want it this way for bucking head seas and to keep my stern from yawing about in following seas. I wanted the bow to be up a bit and to have a nice bold wake so I probably was at WOT. In the picture you can see the bow is clearly not "up a bit"*** ..* maybe even bow down a bit. Now that the water tanks are full the boat looks and handles right. Thats Friday Harbor and the mud from Chuckanut Drive no? When the wind blows and the brightwork covers flutter around does that take the gloss off your varnish in spots?. Since your'e so capable of editing pictures why don't you take the blue out of those cliffs in the background of Careys calendar picture? Well it seems one can look at Marins boat and know what kind of VIP is on board by how much varnish is showing eh? I did this post a few days ago but must have forgot to "submit". Oh** .. by the way Marin you can come on up here now** .. the rain is back.

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Old 08-23-2009, 06:16 PM   #28
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RE: Time for a break from working on the boat.

Morning,Had a rainy Sunday so instead going out to a beach took the kids for a cruise in our small boat up into the fishing port to look at the fishing boats and ferries. *I took a bunch of pictures while I was there (sorry I did not photo shop out the grey sky) some to show how the bow goes down on the Thai trawlers when they are loaded and others just cause I see you guys are interested in working boats.


All these photos are taken in a creek about a mile long lined on both sides by commercial boats of all kinds, in some places they are stacked up so far into the creek that the bigger boats have trouble turning around. *There are local boats that go out overnight, a couple of days or up to a week then there are boats that go from here to Indonesia, India, Sri Lanka and further, sometimes staying out for a year or more. *Yesterday we spoke to some Philippino crew on a Taiwanese longliner that were about to go out past Sri Lanka and stay out for 6-8 months. *They obviously get serviced by bigger boats while at sea. *A few years ago I was down in Irian Jaya, 2400 nautical miles from Phuket, (Indonesian side of Papua New Guinea) and met a fleet of Thai prawn trawlers that stayed down there for 2 years at a time. *They were being serviced by a fisheries "research" boat that is generally tied up in Phuket.


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1. Looking back down the creek around half way in. *The public fisheries dock is on the left.
2. Boats tied up at a private dock. *These are big boats that go to sea for long periods. *The closest one has an Indonesian name and jakarts marked on the stern but is a Thai boat that I guess has registered down there to get fishing rights. *You can see how low in the water the bows of the two blue hulled boats are.
3.Another company dock, these are local boats that probably stay out for up to a week. *The one alongside rather than stern two is loaded and you can see how the bow is lower in the water than the other two with the same paint scheme.
4.Public fisheries dock.
5.Local boat unloading at a private dock, these boats keep everything and the small stuff going on a conver directly into an open truck goes to make pet food I think.
6.small fleet of squid boats that fish locally using large light to attract squid. *Most of this group seems to be there all the time so I think they are inactive at the moment - maybe due to fuel prices.
7.This is a double ender that is only seen from one local muslim island near here. *They specialise in catching very small fish that are immediately unloaded to another boat where they are deep fried *then dried. *Eaten like a snack they are yummy, but I guess that is a lot of small fish that never get to grow up.
8.Trawler heading out to fish, on the way out they are loaded full with ice then coming back it is hopefully replaced by fish. *The local boats do not have refrigeration.
9.Shipyard in town - actually the one where I hauled my boat.
10.Another shipyard on the other side of the creek. There are four large yards and a few small ones.


Hope you find these interesting.


Cheers, Leon.
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Old 08-25-2009, 03:00 PM   #29
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It's obvious I'm going to have to learn about "Photoworkshop". ...In the picture of your boat it looks like yours may be a bit bow down as well.

Eric---

Just for the record, it's Adobe Photoshop.* Part of the reason our boat looks a bit bow down is the horizon line in the photo slants down to the right a bit.* So that "tilts' the boat down to the right a bit.* The boat floats level on its bootstripe and when we add power the bow comes up (a bit).* But between the bow wave and the slight tilt the boat does indeed appear to be a bit bow-down.* At the time this photo was taken I believe the aft pair of fuel tanks were empty, but since the tanks are more or less in the center of the boat this probably doesn't make much difference in trim.* We keep the water tanks (in the lazarette) full so I don't think they were affecting the trim much.

Here's the same shot with the horizon line levelled.* Doesn't make a huge difference but it does look less bow-down.


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FWIW, I don't see anything wrong with the trim on Marin's boat. "You're picking the fly specks out of the pepper seeds Eric!"
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:46 PM   #31
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Leon---

Great shots and thanks for posting them. In my travels around the world (on my employer's dime) I've gotten to see a lot of different types of working boats and it's a real eye-opener how many variations there are. I particularly like the two boats in your shot #3. It's so nice to see that there are still designers on the planet who kept their French curves and compasses instead of doing everything with a straight edge. One of the most beautiful ship designs ever are the four Iowa-class battleships from WWII. Despite the buidling material--- steel--- and despite the purpose of the ship, the lines of the New Jersey, Missouri, Iowa, and Wisconsin are really something.
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Old 08-25-2009, 08:57 PM   #32
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Time for a break from working on the boat.

Hi Marin,
I had'nt noticed the bent horizon. The bow wave masking the bootstripe on your fwd half I think is the biggest reason for the illusion. I also see that your boat floats level in your Avitar and not many boats go negative in pitch with added speed and power. I guess your'e good to go Marin.
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When the wind blows and the brightwork covers flutter around does that take the gloss off your varnish in spots?..... Since your'e so capable of editing pictures why don't you take the blue out of those cliffs in the background of Careys calendar picture?
The covers on the brightwork are fitted very tightly so there does not seem to be any chafing as a result of the wind.* The rail canvas is all courtesy of the previous owner and whoever he had make it did a very impressive job.* He kept the boat in Alameda so I'm guessing the canvas shop was somewhere on the Oakland side of SFO bay.

I think I sent Carey the raw photo files of his boat.* I don't know if he did any color correction on his own.

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