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Old 08-03-2015, 02:28 AM   #21
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Dave,

I agree, on Oki they would not look right.
When first converted she had a large flying-bridge (dodger). It didn't
look right either. I'm glad I only saw one picture of it. Removed long
before I saw her.

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Old 08-03-2015, 02:35 AM   #22
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Dave,

I agree, on Oki they would not look right.
When first converted she had a large flying-bridge (dodger). It didn't
look right either. I'm glad I only saw one picture of it. Removed long
before I saw her.

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Oh yeah, I can definitely see that spoiling her lines. You're better off without it for sure.
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Old 08-03-2015, 03:05 AM   #23
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Well, design is subjective just like music. What I think sucks someone else may think is great. I think wannabe windows are the very definition of ugly but i can fully appreciate their function on vessels that require that function. Toy boats don't need the function, therefore they are simply ugly in my opinion. I would never buy a Selene, for example, because i have no interest in running what to me is an very ugly boat.

The people who buy Selenes obviously feel differently.

Grand Banks are okay in my opinion but there are far better looking designs. Most production boats, particularly those from the past twenty years or so I find pretty ugly. I understand the reason why, as interior space takes precedence over exterior aesthetics, at least my definition of exterior aesthetics.

A few production boats I find very good looking. Eastbays, for example, the ones without flying bridges. Nordic Tugs and Victory Tugs are very nice, again the ones without flying bridges in the case of the Nordic Tugs. The pilothouse de Fever design used on American Marine Alaskans, Flemings, and boats like the de Fever 46 are the best looking production boats around in my opinion.

But when it comes to the aesthetics of design, be it cars, boats or shoes, there's no wrong or right, there's just different. Someone may feel that a design element is very "wrong," but that opinion is only valid for that person. Others may agree, others may not, but it doesn't really matter to that one individual. What he or she thinks is what he or she thinks.
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Old 08-03-2015, 03:07 AM   #24
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Yeah, not feeling the love here either.

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Try this and you can see a bit of the history of "wannabe windows" on TF.

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Old 08-03-2015, 06:17 AM   #25
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I guess Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Speaking of butt ugly which boat gets the votes for the ugliest butt ?
Photos proving this required.
Here's my own butt,which I like apart from no boarding platform.
In regards to Marin's take on good looking boats,I agree your hard pressed to go past Art Defever's designs,he a good eye for a seaboat.
A lot of modern boats are just trying too damn hard.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:19 AM   #26
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Sorry,here it is.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:23 AM   #27
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I believe the most butt ugly boats out there are the ones carrying the dinghy slung vertically on the swim platform. Moonstruck has no other good way to carry. I hate it, but love my dinghy. In fact, won't be without one. It absolutely ruins the lines of a boat.

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Old 08-03-2015, 06:31 AM   #28
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Sorry,here it is.
I've always appreciated an nicely rounded stern. Come to think it I have admired them even before getting into boating.
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Old 08-03-2015, 06:37 AM   #29
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I believe the most butt ugly boats out there are the ones carrying the dinghy slung vertically on the swim platform. Moonstruck has no other good way to carry. I hate it, but love my dinghy. In fact, won't be without one. It absolutely ruins the lines of a boat.
Glad you said what I've always thought. Like attaching a pop up trailer to a BMW sedan.

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Old 08-03-2015, 06:44 AM   #30
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Glad you said what I've always thought. Like attaching a pop up trailer to a BMW sedan.

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Now, you are getting personal, Ted. You mean it is not proper to pull my Hi-Lo trailer with my SL 500?
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Old 08-03-2015, 07:29 AM   #31
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Sorry,here it is.

Where is the swim platform???
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Thats the problem.
Every boats a compromise.This is one of my bigger ones.
I do plan to have one,it's on the list.(Item number 124)
However I've yet to find one I like the look of.
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Old 08-03-2015, 09:26 AM   #33
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I believe the most butt ugly boats out there are the ones carrying the dinghy slung vertically on the swim platform. Moonstruck has no other good way to carry. I hate it, but love my dinghy. In fact, won't be without one. It absolutely ruins the lines of a boat.

Agree but any other place on the boat is worse we have a guy at our dock that put his out front looks rough
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Yes it's a Selene 50' some thing.....I see MarkPierce is on the line here, I would like to PM him if that's OK.......Noel S
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OC, you are one of the lucky ones that KNOW the attributes of forward sloped pilot house windows.
I feel sorry for those that can't see the obvious advantages of forward sloping windows. They're probably the same people that think Rita Hayworth is ugly.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:03 AM   #36
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I feel sorry for those that can't see the obvious advantages of forward sloping windows. They're probably the same people that think Rita Hayworth is ugly.
Rita Hayworth! Now your talking.
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:22 AM   #37
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Old 08-03-2015, 10:31 AM   #38
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Try this and you can see a bit of the history of "wannabe windows" on TF.

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I can see it's a long-standing tradition. Thanks!

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Old 08-03-2015, 11:02 AM   #39
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I totally understand the advantages of reverse sloping windows. I also like them on the Selenes up to the 48' model. Above that I love the interior of the pilothouse, but the exterior looks to me like an add on. They almost resemble a parking lot booth. This is my opinion only.

I would take this boat in a heartbeat. However with the lines of the boat,to me, the pilot house looks as if it was designed for another boat.



I think Tom Fexas did a much better job of integrating the Pilot House into the Grand Banks Aleutian 55.

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Old 08-03-2015, 11:49 AM   #40
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Don,
Re your top pic,
If those ugly slab things were replaced w pipe the bridge windows probably would look OK.
May work too w both wannabe slab things to match.

Second edit;
But then the lines of the FB cover is a killer. FB cover would need vertical pipe support too.

Boat in lower picture looks really nice .. good.
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