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Old 10-29-2016, 05:02 PM   #81
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That should about cover filter changes in a seaway. Stay the course Bill
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Old 11-05-2016, 05:48 PM   #82
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Is the Lowland on the market?
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I am not sure of the nature of your inquiry above but if you have interest in a Lowland, a sister ship of the same build year just showed up for sale on our coast. These are very rare birds so thought I would pass this along just in case. Stabilized and looks very well kept.

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Old 12-24-2016, 07:37 PM   #83
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I recognize the perils here considering both the subject matter and the idea of seeking consensus among diversity.....but what the heck.

The electrical system has been Americanized to an operative degree, survey items mostly tidied up, fuel cleaned up, and we are on to electronics update after the holiday. We are planning now for the anchor(s) question. There I said it....anchor(s).

First order of business is more chain length. The two anchor system has 100' of half inch chain each. Apparently the Dutch canals are not deep and there was no plan to anchor in the North Sea! We will need more. The anchor lockers may hold 300 but this would be much easier to understand with one anchor rather this this two anchor system.
First, any comments on one v. two? I am having a hard time warming up to the two but many larger boats are set up this way (see first pic). What gives?

If one, there would be an option to use one of the existing nests or another option would be to go straight out the front over a roller. See second two pics.

I went over to Sydney BC to see the Ground Tackle boys a week ago and that would likely be my choice of anchor if going to a single off the bow and maybe even into a modified nest.

Comments, critiques, or ideas?
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Old 12-26-2016, 11:19 PM   #84
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I am going to try this again because:
A. I figured out how to get the pictures right side up and
B. I got exactly zero input on my question and I really would appreciate helpful advice on this.
How many of you use a two anchor system? Do they foul each other on tide or wind changes? How far apart do you drop them?
I am having hard time warming up to two but also not sure how to make a good switch to one. This boat is not easy to fit on an anchor chart because of the length to weight disparity. At 52 feet and 114000# there are three anchor sizes between one recommended for this weight and one recommended for this length. Go with the largest and that is one very big anchor and brings the two anchor idea back into play.
I am also not sure what this windlass is going to do with one very large anchor. It looks like the current set up pulled one anchor at a time. It is an external electric motor driving a gear that is coupled to the windlass gears by two V belts.
What would you do?
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Old 12-27-2016, 04:25 AM   #85
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Those of us with 2 anchors rigged and ready to deploy will almost never have both out at the same time. On those few occasions we have had two or more anchors out in a rafting situation. we have regretted the time it took to unspin the raft in order to begin hoisting either anchor. Nothing moves when they are twisted together. Just think if you had to do all of that work yourself!
The second anchor may be useful in other waters, but here in BC, if one won't hold, lighten the load by separating the rafted boats and each puts out their own.
Those carrying two capable anchors on one bow have a spare, for the rare times that one may be fouled and needs to be cut loose, for diver retrieval, leaving the ship with a full anchor system intact. That is usually only found on large, heavy boats, where the extra weight is easily carried. I assume yours is one of those, as you already have twin, heavy systems.
You didn't say what type of anchor you are getting, maybe to keep this thread in control, but that may also be a topic for consideration.
Regardless of the anchor type, 1/2" chain is quite large, even for a Dutch boat, so carrying a lot of it will be a heavy load. You might consider going to cable, at least after the initial 50 ft of chain, enough to provide the weight catenary that keeps your anchor stock on the bottom.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:10 AM   #86
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Check out the first stockless anchor to receive SHHP designation...looks like it might fit your bow plates perfectly: First stockless SHHP anchor
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:41 AM   #87
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Klee Wyck

Yike, you're in a bit of a pickle with your anchor situation! I agree with Toliver, that two bow anchors are rarely set simultaneously in the PNW. So...how best to rig your new boat?

As I presume up-sizing one of your existing anchors is a non-starter due to the hawsepipe size and/or geometry or windlass capacity it seems to me you may be restricted to simply adding another 200-300' of chain to one anchor, and go from there. Frankly, the need to anchor in extreme conditions up here is pretty remote. Unless you deliberately intend to operate come hell or high water, the availability of sheltered anchorages is pretty good up here. And unless the existing anchor is pitifully unsuitable, additional scope usually fills the bill.

Obviously, converting to a bow roller and single more suitable anchor is possible. Just bring money. But in answer to your question of "what would I do", I'd add chain to one anchor and carry on. And perhaps board another 300' of synthetic line as backup.

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Old 12-27-2016, 06:46 PM   #88
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Thanks to the three of you for these useful responses. I feel like there is a sound answer in there and indicates not a strong need to get real creative here.
These two hanging there are large anchors with a geometry that is very similar to the anchor Murray referenced. I will try to get a weight on them when I am in the yard but judging by their size in real life against others I have experience with, I am going to put them around 150# each.
Adding two hundred feed of 1/2 inch G4 to one side only adds 500# of new weight which I am going to call insignificant (<0.5%) even given its location. This gives me 5:1 in 60' with 900# of steel and a very large fluke area between the boat and the seabed. I think I am going to call that good for the conditions I will see and be willing to anchor in. If it gets worse than that I guess I will be bow into it with the motor on and wide awake anyway! Hull shape/entry and low windage are in my favor I think and I am just not equipped to judge the buoyancy effect of this chunk of steel in a surge relative to the catenary available with all 300' of the chain out. Physics experts? The chain has a working load of 9200#. The capability of the windlass should not be question since we would never be lifting more than the current arrangement if never anchored in over 100 feet.

To Peter, it would not be very difficult to go straight out the front over a roller given the structure and material in the bow and that is one option I was considering. For that I would need the chain anyway so I think going with option of keeping these anchors and adding chain to one and running that way awhile would not preclude this option at a later date.

Thanks for the help,
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If it were me, I would keep both anchors with the hawsepipe stowage and add chain to one side only. Coming from a commercial side we always had two bower anchors although we very rarely used more than one at a time. When we needed two, it was handy being right there in the hawse ready to go. Just having the choice of which side to drop an anchor in some situations can be handy. I love the big beefy windlass. Looks like it can handle hard work. And yes, work one anchor at a time on retrieval. Usually we only used two when there is a constant one way current such as a rising River. Set them out with a 60* spread, each one 30* off the bow, port and starboard. Love your boat.
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Old 12-28-2016, 12:40 AM   #90
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If it were me, I would sell that boat to me so you don't have worry about the anchor problem.
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