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Old 08-25-2013, 05:18 PM   #21
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Yes, Cuba has lots of potential!
Yup. It does indeed. Makes me kind of sad, to be honest, because it will eventually become just another tourist trap. I still remember when we, with two other sailboats, came into Varadero, Cuba in 1997 and checked into the marina there after a somewhat traumatic crossing of the Florida Straits. We walked around town (lots of beautiful old 1957 Chevys!), and the people would say in hushed tones: "Los Veleros!" (The sailors). Have to admit that we strutted a bit and felt important. :-)

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Old 08-25-2013, 05:48 PM   #22
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..it seems beautiful from all my time in Gitmo and flying around the island in CG helos...at least the topography.
It's not just the topography, the people are beautiful too! I spent 18 months there in 1959-60.

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Old 08-25-2013, 06:11 PM   #23
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It will be free again and the mutual respect of our people's will be evident. Going to be a lot of cash infused into Cuba when the commies go away. Afraid it will take the deaths of Castro or a coup to make it happen.
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Old 08-25-2013, 06:48 PM   #24
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Cuba has tremendous potential. I see it every day in Miami.
I would bet that today you can get better Cuban food in Miami than you can in Cuba.
As an example, in Miami you can get really good Fritas. Fritas were a hamburger like street food sold in Cuba. The lack of fresh beef has made them much harder to find in Cuba. We just had a contest to see who makes the best Frita in Miami. El Rey De Las Fritas won. El Mago De Las Fritas was a close second.

El Mago is my favorite.

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Old 08-25-2013, 07:20 PM   #25
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It may take awhile to become "a tourist trap" it is over 600 miles long and over 60 miles wide for most of it...not including hundreds if not thousands of beautiful little islands. It's about 2/3 the size of the State of Florida.
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Old 08-25-2013, 07:34 PM   #26
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No doubt the major cities will tourist up once the inevitable end of the travel ban. The rural areas however will remain the same for many decades after though.
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Old 08-25-2013, 09:38 PM   #27
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Don't forget that this ban only affects US citizens, there has been widespread tourism to Cuba for quite a while now, America is the only country that has placed an embargo on its own citizens visiting.

My local travel agent has brochures and tour information freely available. There are large English and Canadian operations that have resort style set-ups in Cuba for package holidays.I have quite a few European friends who have travelled to Cuba in the last 10 years or so, no big deal.

A quick check on Wikipedia shows that just under half Cuba's exports go to Canada and Holland, so I'm not sure what this embargo is supposed to be achieving, being that it has been in place for 40 odd years now.

Don't get me wrong, I am no supporter of the current regime, I just don't understand the rationale of the embargo. FWIW, I think it is more sensible to follow the route your government has with its dealings with Vietnam. Trade and tourism can cut across government doctrine and heal old wounds over time.

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"I think it is more sensible to follow the route your government has with its dealings with Vietnam."

That's an argument that is currently dividing the US Cuban community.

There is a very brave young lady named Yoni Sanchez who blogs from inside Cuba about life under the Castro brothers. She recently expressed the opinion that lifting the blockade would hurt the Castro's more than the blockade does.

She writes in Spanish but people all over the world have taken it upon themselves to translate it.
Here is a link to it. Pick your language:
Los idiomas de Generación Y | Las traducciones

"Trade and tourism can cut across government doctrine and heal old wounds over time."

I personally don't want to heal wounds with the current regime.
I just want them to die, soon.
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Old 08-26-2013, 03:01 AM   #29
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Tourism is already a well developed industry in Cuba. It is now the number one industry, recently exceeding sugar cane exports. Life over their isn't quite as bad as the US media makes it out to be, especially considering the economic embargoes placed on them, and their lack of petroleum and other resources.

Human Development Index Rating for Cuba is 59th in world, one of the highest of the Latin American countries, higher than Mexico, almost equal to the Bahamas.
Some may not agree with Cuba's political slant, but it seems to be working for them.

If it was within cruising range for me, I'd certainly be planning a visit.
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Old 08-26-2013, 04:32 AM   #30
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I went down for a month back in 1997 or 98,...can't remember which right now. 4 of us went on a friend's newly constructed 60 foot catamaran. It had its good times, and not so good times. The gov made a real effort to keep the tourist separated from the common Cuba people. The people were very friendly, but there std of living and the farm output was severely hampered by the old communist system.

We stayed at Marina Hemingway on two occasions. it was a fair distance away from Havana. Havana port was (is?) only for commercial vessels. I used a bike to get into and around the city of Havana (and that bike got stolen by a guy who befriended me for most of one day acting as a guide).

Went cruising along part of the coast and did some diving and exploring. But we were trailed by a Cuban gunboat that keep their distance,...just watching us.

I actually came back to Fla and bought a used VW dune buggy with the idea to ship it down there and do a 'land trip' with it. But other matters came up.

Always had the idea of a 'Swiss Family Robertson' tree house on an island in the Caribbean, ...thought one of the MANY small islands off Cuba might be a potential. But didn't see any that looked that good, and way too much officialdom. (I had thought at the time that Pres Clinton just might make a move towards normalization)

I looked up info on Cuba before that visit, and its seems to my recollection that Cuba is very nearly 900 miles long. It could stretch from the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay down to Daytona beach Fla.




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Don't get me wrong, I am no supporter of the current regime, I just don't understand the rationale of the embargo. FWIW, I think it is more sensible to follow the route your government has with its dealings with Vietnam. Trade and tourism can cut across government doctrine and heal old wounds over time.
I had thoughts that Clinton might make a big effort at normalizing our relations with Cuba. I had been working over in SE Asia and saw what was happening with Vietnam ( I was there 30 years before my trip to Cuba).....capitalization was drowning out communisms. Would have worked in Cuba as well. Our USA foreign policies can really be F-upped at times.
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Old 08-26-2013, 08:36 AM   #31
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I think the embargo applies to Imports. That is where the rubber meets the road and also explains why they still drive 1957 era vehicles.
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Old 08-26-2013, 10:40 AM   #32
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"Life over their isn't quite as bad as the US media makes it out to be,..."

I've seen the empty rafts. People are literally dying to leave.
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Old 08-27-2013, 10:46 PM   #33
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Somebody is preparing for the change.....

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Old 08-28-2013, 06:26 AM   #34
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The KEY item embargoed from Cuba is US financing.

They trade with the rest of the world , but mostly on a CA$H basis.

Unlike the Chinese they have no use for tech , only unlimited cash is of interest .
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I Have been to Cuba twice actually four times if you count sailing by

Although tourism is developed I would not call it well developed

Also was interesting to see the note in the latest passage maker about attempted Cuba event
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I think the embargo applies to Imports. That is where the rubber meets the road and also explains why they still drive 1957 era vehicles.

Don't think the embargo explains the vehicles. Very few American built cars are imported into the other Caribbean countries. The Japanese and Korean companies dominate with a healthy representation from Europe.

Since the other Caribbean countries are able to provide non American cars to their populations the shortage of new cars in Cuba must have another reason, perhaps a decline in personal income. Cuba once had one of the highest standards of living in the Caribbean.

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Old 08-31-2013, 10:14 PM   #37
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I went to Cuba (legally) in January this year for 8 days, I loved the place and look forward to a day when the communist regime is done and gone...maybe someday.
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Thanks after last one I really didnt think she would try again and did not know she was doing it now
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Thanks after last one I really didnt think she would try again and did not know she was doing it now
Me either! Interesting..........
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