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Old 10-25-2013, 04:00 PM   #1
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Cruising with guns

I am going to be getting underway heading south in my trawler. I have a NYS concealed carry permit, however no other states reciprocate. What is the law for cruising with guns? I want to be able to protect myself but I don't want to break the law. Tough problem in America today....


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Old 10-25-2013, 04:17 PM   #2
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Before we get too far into this thread, may I point out the notation in the community rules. Please discuss all you like, but lets keep is non-political and civil... Thank you.

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Old 10-25-2013, 04:34 PM   #3
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Before we get too far into this thread, may I point out the notation in the community rules. Please discuss all you like, but lets keep is non-political and civil... Thank you.

*Discussions about politics, religion and weaponry are likely to be closed or removed if they turn into flame fests and are only permitted in the Off The Deep End Forum. Members must opt in (join) The Off The Deep End forum to view content posted in that area.

Thanks, Should I move it to the deep end forum?
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No... It's a valid question that many members have dealt with and can help you with. That's what we are here for. Hey... I'd like to know what the rules are too without diving into the politics of it.
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Per the following site, you'll be OK in NC (just as you pass Tom!)

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I too want to know the rules???? I'm in Texas.
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What if you don't have a CHL?
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As long as you are in the U.S., you are fine having a weapon on board your vessel. It's when you step ashore that things get murky.

Several states as noted by the above link, do recognize your permit.
Other states have non-resident permits that you may qualify for as well.

And some stated have open carry, and no or minimal requirements for a license.

In some places though, unless you're carrying under HR218, you're SOL for concealed carry, sorry.

I'll be happy to do a little digging around for you this weekend and see what I can find out.


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What if you don't have a CHL?
Mine expired a few years ago so no more concealed for me anymore. Now I don't need it. Still keep them in the car the house and the boats. When abroad I just declare them as required and I stay away from Mexico. Federal waters are all fine. And you can get a non resident permit in fl that it believe has reciprocity.

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Old 10-25-2013, 06:28 PM   #10
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There is a book called ''Travelers Guide to Firearms Laws all 50 States'' It is available thru Amazon or the NRA or just google it. It is written by a lawyer and updated regularly. While I would not consider it ''legal'' advise it does provide an overview of this complicated subject.
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A marina friend of ours has elected not to cruise with weapons. But he does have several cans of that wasp and bee killer that can reach out 20 feet or more. A shot to an intruder's face should prevent any further mischief. I'm thinking of following his example to avoid the hassle.
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Off Duty is correct. It's fine to have a gun onboard. If boarded by the Coast Guard they just want to know if you have one and where it's located.

The reciprocity maps which Pau Hana provided is a big help. I don't know your schedule, however, if you have time, you could apply to Florida and obtain a "non-resident" permit. That will allow you to carry concealed in most states down the east coast (except for SC) to Florida. That will give you concealed carry rights in 30 states; 31 states including New York.

Good luck. Perhaps someday we will have a "national" CCW permit which will be recognized in all 50 states....but don't hold your breath!
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First, let me thank you for asking a question about which I actually have something useful to contribute.


I like to use the USA CARRY reciprocity maps.

There is also a CCW app for the iPhone, and I would presume non-apple phones as well.


If you have a Residential NYS carry permit, you can carry in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Vermont & Wisconsin.

If you get a Pennsylvania Non-Resident permit, which is actually quite easy to get once you already have a permit from ANYWHERE else in the States; that adds Wyoming, North Dakota, Arkansas, Louisiana, Georgia and both Virginias.


If you get a UTAH non-resident, which is class & mail order deal that is very popular it's easier to list the states that DON'T honor it: Oregon, Nevada, California, Colorado, New Mexico, Illinois, Florida, South Carolina and all of the Northeast States except PA, NY & Vermont.


If you get a Florida non-resident instead, the whole West Coast & Nevada is off limits, as is Colorado, Minnesota, Illinois, South Carolina and the whole northeast INCLUDING Pennsylvania, but not including NY and Vermont.

If you get the PA/FL/UT trifecta, you get PA back and you keep NY/VT. You still can't carry in South Carolina, Illinois, Colorado, Nevada, California and Oregon.

Be aware that different States have different policies and laws about what weapons are legal, what size magazines you're allowed to have and how weapons must be transported and stored. These also vary based on whether you have a concealed carry permit or not.

For instance, if you are on Lake Erie and step off onto Ohio, you can carry OPENLY with total legality, but if you get into a car you are suddenly dealing with a different set of rules if you don't have a permit Ohio recognizes. Also, an "Open Carry" can suddenly become concealed if you put on a jacket, even if the jacket only partially obscures the gun.



It's too late to make a long story short, but the bottom line is that it's a huge can of worms and you MUST research this stuff personally. After all, if you get it wrong it's YOU who will go to jail, even if you were following the bad advice of a police department you called.


Also, be aware that NOTHING I said applies to international waters. I don't even know what the rules are. Typically, navigable waters within the US fall under the laws of the States controlling them. However, be aware of where the borders lie. Be ESPECIALLY aware if you could potentially cross into Canadian waters.

Use this google string to get reliable help: "{insert name of state, without brackets} Gun Forum".

That will get you forums just like this one, the difference being subject matter. Just join, do some searches, ask some questions and enjoy your safe travels.
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I was boarded by the Coast Guard for a routine inspection, as they approached they asked if I had any firearms onboard. I said yes and was told to unload them and put them on the bed. when they boarded one went below and hid the ammunition. No other mention of the guns, gun permits etc. after the inspection they told me where the ammo was and left. Very professional and courteous the entire time.
With other branches of law enforcement may be different I have no experience with them.
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I was boarded by the Coast Guard for a routine inspection, as they approached they asked if I had any firearms onboard.
Whenever there are weapons and "official entities" involved it is always better to volunteer the fact that you are carrying or have weapons in the area...... Sometimes they ask as Steve points out...sometimes they don't. If they don't and you do not volunteer the information and then a weapon is discovered the "official entity" generally do not react well to that and it can get "dicey".... ...I have a concealed carry permit and if I ever deal with any official, I volunteer the information as soon as practicable and without exception I am thanked by the "official" and the encounters are never "tense". Another tip is never use or shout the word "gun". If you are in a noisy environment etc. or there are other officials nearby and all they hear is the word "gun" they sometimes react negatively to the word and the situation could get ugly...... Always use the word "weapon" and don't shout.
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If one is concerned about security when aboard a legal short barrel shotgun has less implications than a handgun, both internationally and domestically. Of course this does nothing when you step foot ashore. As a CCW holder I rarely carry aboard the boat as here in Washington it really hasn't been a issue, some parts of the country are a completely different story.

When we cruised the Pacific we carried a short shotgun, never declared it and never needed it. I always felt we were on our own and needed to be able to defend ourselves in far away places it it ever came to it.

During my recent trip to Panama we were shadowed for about an hour in the middle of the night at a range of about two miles.. no moon meant I couldn't see the other craft. When they decided to leave they blasted off in a different direction at over twenty knots.. I did have thoughts that having Mr Remington aboard might not have been a bad thing at the moment
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During my recent trip to Panama we were shadowed for about an hour in the middle of the night at a range of about two miles.. no moon meant I couldn't see the other craft. When they decided to leave they blasted off in a different direction at over twenty knots.. I did have thoughts that having Mr Remington aboard might not have been a bad thing at the moment
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I too would rather have Mr. Remington or Mr. Glock on board as opposed to Mr. Wasp Spray...
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California accepts no other state's CCW. One can't even open-carry a loaded or unloaded weapon in public. Very few sheriffs will issue a CCW to an ordinary citizen.
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I was boarded by the Coast Guard for a routine inspection, as they approached they asked if I had any firearms onboard. I said yes and was told to unload them and put them on the bed. when they boarded one went below and hid the ammunition. No other mention of the guns, gun permits etc. after the inspection they told me where the ammo was and left. Very professional and courteous the entire time.
With other branches of law enforcement may be different I have no experience with them.
I see the procedure hasn't changed much, and I'm happy to hear that the boarding team was polite and professional. Always makes me proud to hear.

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If one is concerned about security when aboard a legal short barrel shotgun has less implications than a handgun, both internationally and domestically. Of course this does nothing when you step foot ashore. As a CCW holder I rarely carry aboard the boat as here in Washington it really hasn't been a issue, some parts of the country are a completely different story.

When we cruised the Pacific we carried a short shotgun, never declared it and never needed it. I always felt we were on our own and needed to be able to defend ourselves in far away places it it ever came to it.

During my recent trip to Panama we were shadowed for about an hour in the middle of the night at a range of about two miles.. no moon meant I couldn't see the other craft. When they decided to leave they blasted off in a different direction at over twenty knots.. I did have thoughts that having Mr Remington aboard might not have been a bad thing at the moment
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Interesting. Could have been a military or Panamanian Coast Guard checking you out, or a smuggler or other criminal element. Either way, good to hear they decided to go the other way

I agree that the shotgun is preferable to a handgun in many cases, just as we recommend it for home defense.
Less "aiming" required, which is good when your "ground" is rolling and your balance is off. Generally less penetration which is better in both home and shipboard defense, as compared to a round that's likely to penetrate a bulkhead and into a room where a loved one is inside, damaging necessary mechanical, hydraulic or electrical components. Not to mention the psychological impact of a shotgun over a handgun. Even the loading process of a shotgun can dissuade the less than dedicate criminal.
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California accepts no other state's CCW. One can't even open-carry a loaded or unloaded weapon in public. Very few sheriffs will issue a CCW to an ordinary citizen.
I'm so glad I left that crazy state- the libs are taking over more and more....
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