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07-10-2013, 04:24 PM
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Walt - Glad it turned out well - Can you share with us how you were able to annotate the chart data ? The directional arrows are great, and I can see where we all may benefit from being able to mark up chart images that way
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07-10-2013, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by psneeld
I can steer through my Raymarine ST5000+......great safety feature.
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Cannot steer through our ST6000. Have to manually input it to "standby" to regain manual control.
Did Raymarine change this function from the 5000 to 6000 and, if so, why?
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07-10-2013, 04:53 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BelfastCruiser
Can you share with us how you were able to annotate the chart data ?
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WOW! I'm no computer expert but I do have an iMac. It's much harder to explain than it is to actually do it.
1) Take a snapshot of the screen you want to annotate (Google, photo album, anything)
2) Box the area you want to crop
3 crop that area
4) Save as a jpeg ( You can skip this step if desired and start annotating.)
5)Look at the top and bottom bars for annotating (Click on annotate and experiment with the bar menu items.)
When finished, save as a jpeg and insert in your post.
Edit: I'm sorry if this is confusing but as I've said, I'm no computer expert. Maybe someone else can chime in here.
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07-10-2013, 05:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwhatty
Cannot steer through our ST6000. Have to manually input it to "standby" to regain manual control.
Did Raymarine change this function from the 5000 to 6000 and, if so, why?
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Hard to believe you can steer through the AP with the 5000 but not later Raymarine pilots. (6000)
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07-10-2013, 06:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwhatty
Cannot steer through our ST6000. Have to manually input it to "standby" to regain manual control.
Did Raymarine change this function from the 5000 to 6000 and, if so, why?
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Not sure if it's actually a feature or not...I thought it wasn't as most of the Sea Rays I ran with it were not "steer through" capable. Maybe it's just a combo of my hynautic system and the way the PO set it up...but I can steer through to a degree...certainly enough to avoid crab pots or a close aboard vessel.
So I'm really not sure about the 6000 series and I couldn't find anything in the manual to definitively suggest why it does or doesn't work.
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07-10-2013, 08:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dwhatty
Cannot steer through our ST6000. Have to manually input it to "standby" to regain manual control.
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Same here, cannot steer through our Raymarine ST6000.
It is a bit dated so probably not fair to compare with more modern stuff.
In practice I look at the control head to made sure it says either Auto when engaging or Standby when disengaging. I try and force myself not to use the AP when in a channel. Not enough reaction time if I were to get a hard-over to avoid other boats in a narrow channel.
On a sailboat I had a autopilot that I just replaced the control head due to a malfunction. It was repaired by the manufacturer. First time out I engaged the clutch but had forgot to turn on the circuit breaker to power the AP. I left the clutch engaged which kept the rudder locked in the neutral position. When I went below and turned on the AP circuit breaker the AP did an immediate 30 turn to the right. The boat hit a day marker before I could disengage the clutch. What a sick feeling, and is why I don't engage my current AP in a narrow channel with other traffic.
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07-11-2013, 09:07 PM
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Even the pros can have this problem. Fortunately your bad day didn't include the loss of 9,000 tonnes of steel and two lives. But then, you also weren't also being distracted by "an intense, personal conversation" for the 15 minutes prior to rocks happening...
Transportation Safety Board of Canada - Marine Investigation Report M06W0052
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10-21-2013, 04:51 PM
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How fast would you like to be moving when you hit something? The answer to that question is the speed you should be moving at in close quarters and docking. I have seen so many drivers enter their slips and then hit the brakes making a great show for the onlookers.
Years ago in my sailing days I entered my slip, and tried to shift to reverse and the shift lever came off in my hand. Things can go amiss really fast. Enough said.
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10-21-2013, 07:00 PM
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Sure going slow is easy to say...but wind/tidal current often dictate drastic speed and throttle/gear manipulation....
Always better to hold off, go someplace else...but not always the option....power and speed occasionally are necessary to get the job done...you just have to do it right or suffer the consequences.
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10-22-2013, 08:36 AM
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Good point. There are always exceptions to the rule.
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10-22-2013, 10:00 AM
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So my question is this: Who set the course on the AP to go straight into the rocks? Set or not, I don't believe that would have been my course.
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10-22-2013, 02:09 PM
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Always Always Always have to have someone on watch.
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10-22-2013, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by windmill29130
So my question is this: Who set the course on the AP to go straight into the rocks? Set or not, I don't believe that would have been my course.
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Good question and one that I've had a lot of fun with.
My friend was at the helm (an experienced rag boater) and asked where do you want to go? At that time we were about 3 miles out so I pointed to the turning point on the chart. ("B" ) He turned on the AP, moved the cursor to that point and pressed the "Go to Cursor" button. The AP did exactly that & since it had no further instructions, it was determined to go to that spot.
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10-22-2013, 02:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by windmill29130
Set or not, I don't believe that would have been my course.
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It would if you want to get to my slip! Check the chart again. There's a hard left turn to the fairway that leads to my boat.
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10-22-2013, 03:26 PM
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A new to boating buddy of mine had a recent incident. He's so new to boating that his ~40' didn't leave the dock for the first year of ownership.
Anyhow, he's heading home after an evening of drinking, the guest is taking a leak off the stern, it's getting dark so he opens up the throttles, head down on his smartphone checking e-mail .... BAM! Into the well marked underwater obstructions. 2 props, 1 shaft, tranny R&R, strut .... $30k and counting.
I'm not sure what else he could have done wrong.
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10-22-2013, 04:37 PM
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The other day I was going out for a while and alone, I loosed all the lines, electric, and water and slowly started out of the slip when I felt a tug on the starboard rear quarter. Oops left a line on....no problem gears to neutral and three steps down to the rear deck remove the line and.....on the back deck.... watching my boat picking up speed to back into the dock. My rear boarding ladder saved the boat. nothing could save my pride nor my ladder. Should never have left the helm until I was sure I got the gears into neutral. I could swear I got them into neutral..
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10-22-2013, 09:02 PM
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Two rules of docking: (1) Go Slow and Look Like a Pro, and (2) Wind and/or Current May Require an Exception to Rule 1.
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10-23-2013, 07:15 PM
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I never go faster than what I'am willing to hit something when docking
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I don't like making plans for the day because the word "premeditated" gets thrown around in the courtroom.
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10-23-2013, 08:51 PM
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Never use AP entering/exiting inlets and marinas.
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