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Old 01-14-2020, 08:20 AM   #221
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Dave, what is your holding tank made of? Was it pumped out in Annapolis?

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A real sh$tty tale!

If you have major problems with your black water system like a tank that needs replacing, I suggest looking at a composting toilet. I got rid of all my leaking black water systemó plumbing, valves, toilet, etc and replaced them with a simple Natureís Head toilet. Itís been odor free for two years, and there is basically nothing to break.
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One advantage of doing work yourself is that when you get into a situation where you can't do the work yourself, due to time constraints, lack of proper tools, etc, you will be better able to tell if the repair people are competent, and whether they are trying to take advantage of you!


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Wow, it looks deserted in that marina, where is everyone?
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Wow, it looks deserted in that marina, where is everyone?

It was like a post zombie apocalypse. I felt like the only person for miles. At one point I went to the marina office to borrow the courtesy rocket, and the one guy working was asleep in his chair. I didnít have the heart to wake him, so I went back a little later.

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Dave, what is your holding tank made of? Was it pumped out in Annapolis?

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The tanks are aluminum. They werenít pumped out before I left Annapolis, but I hadnít used them much while I was there. Itís hard to tell whatís in there since I donít have a gauge.

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Nope, you had it right. Only an airhead would embark on such a grand adventure, lol. Thanks for the tip!

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One advantage of doing work yourself is that when you get into a situation where you can't do the work yourself, due to time constraints, lack of proper tools, etc, you will be better able to tell if the repair people are competent, and whether they are trying to take advantage of you!


By the way, love your short jaunts down the rabbit hole!

Thanks for reading! There really arenít many disadvantages to doing the work yourself. It saves money, you know itís done the way you want it, you know the system better... etc. Iíd still recommend that route to anyone that asked. The simple fact is... Iím lazy, lol. Most of the time, I have more money than ambition, which only serves to demonstrate how lazy I am, since I sure as hell ainít rich.
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Thanks for reading! There really arenít many disadvantages to doing the work yourself. It saves money, you know itís done the way you want it, you know the system better... etc. Iíd still recommend that route to anyone that asked. The simple fact is... Iím lazy, lol. Most of the time, I have more money than ambition, which only serves to demonstrate how lazy I am, since I sure as hell ainít rich.
Sometimes it helps to find someone to do the work with you. Even if you're paying them for their time.

As far as the aluminum tanks go, I'd plan to replace them at some point. If they're not the source of your leak, they will be at some point. Metal holding tanks have a pretty finite lifespan, unfortunately. Hopefully they're not too inaccessible on your boat.
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Thanks for reading! There really arenít many disadvantages to doing the work yourself. It saves money, you know itís done the way you want it, you know the system better... etc. Iíd still recommend that route to anyone that asked. The simple fact is... Iím lazy, lol. Most of the time, I have more money than ambition, which only serves to demonstrate how lazy I am, since I sure as hell ainít rich.
I'm lazy, but also have various interests and doing maintenance on anything is not one of my interests. I would rather spend a day working in my chosen profession that doing maintenance on a boat. If I still worked regularly, I'd rather the work get done while I was away working.

I also find things like boat maintenance stressful. I don't like stress. I'm far less skilled than most here mechanically. However, I am likely far more skilled than many here in finding good people and companies to do mechanical work.
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A leak that's adding significant amounts to the bilge, should be easy to find. Add water to the holding tank and pump out several times, until the pump out is clear. Fill and flush the head several times with water, and start look for leaks.

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Too bad the holding tank is aluminum. Aluminum does not last when exposed to urine. I would plan on replacing it asap with a tank from Ronko. They make really good holding tanks and will put fittings where you need them. No affiliation just happy customer. Good luck...
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Fluorescein dye works great for something like this. It's used for many purposes, the stuff I have is used for downed aviators in the water. Also has many other interesting uses, like dying water towers, municipal and private fountains, construction dust spraying equipment, swimming pools, did I mention fountains?

https://www.landfallnavigation.com/f...yABEgJoMvD_BwE

One source above, there are many others. A packet like above would probably dye a half dozen Olympic sized swimming pools so they look like they are full of automobile antifreeze. . . . Why I once knew a person who shall remain nameless who may or may not have dyed all of Gig Harbor Washington in the mid-80's . . . from the harbor entrance, on an incoming tide . . . .

If you want to try it, a LITTLE goes a LONG way! Did I mention fountains?!? In the pic the user used about 1/4 teaspoon in a gelatin capsule . . . which conveniently didn't dissolve until the not so innocent parties were far away . . . Can you believe that after the third iteration, they actually posted ARMED GUARDS on the fountain? Made it more fun the 4th, 5th, and 6th times! Drove the CSM absolutely batshit crazy!


Dave, if you want to try it, and can't find anyway, I can send you some. Take care, hope you get to the bottom (no pun intended) of the problem soon!
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When I retired, I knew I'd have more time than money. If I was going to make a go of this boating thing, I'd have to learn much of the work myself.

There are always specialties that I won't touch like high pressure fuel pump replacement, steering pump rebuild or my first high output alternator installation. Those new skills are beyond my capabilities. I don't even want to think about the future big projects I won't be willing to tackle in my 43 year old boat. (knock wood)

I'll just deal with them as they happen, like this week's job that I can't do...a prop retune.
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You can buy it in tablet form. Same stuff that public works has to trace sewers. I have a jar of pink and a jar of green.

Probably the same thing they drop in holding tanks to detect discharge overboard.

You can also buy dye that floresces with UV light. Can find in HVAC repair shops. But then you need a UV light source.

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Fluorescein dye works great for something like this. It's used for many purposes, the stuff I have is used for downed aviators in the water. Also has many other interesting uses, like dying water towers, municipal and private fountains, construction dust spraying equipment, swimming pools, did I mention fountains?

https://www.landfallnavigation.com/f...yABEgJoMvD_BwE

One source above, there are many others. A packet like above would probably dye a half dozen Olympic sized swimming pools so they look like they are full of automobile antifreeze. . . . Why I once knew a person who shall remain nameless who may or may not have dyed all of Gig Harbor Washington in the mid-80's . . . from the harbor entrance, on an incoming tide . . . .

If you want to try it, a LITTLE goes a LONG way! Did I mention fountains?!? In the pic the user used about 1/4 teaspoon in a gelatin capsule . . . which conveniently didn't dissolve until the not so innocent parties were far away . . . Can you believe that after the third iteration, they actually posted ARMED GUARDS on the fountain? Made it more fun the 4th, 5th, and 6th times! Drove the CSM absolutely batshit crazy!


Dave, if you want to try it, and can't find anyway, I can send you some. Take care, hope you get to the bottom (no pun intended) of the problem soon!
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You can buy it in tablet form. Same stuff that public works has to trace sewers. I have a jar of pink and a jar of green.

Probably the same thing they drop in holding tanks to detect discharge overboard....
I suppose Dave could just take one of the tablets...........maybe not.
I really should take this more seriously....
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When I retired, I knew I'd have more time than money. If I was going to make a go of this boating thing, I'd have to learn much of the work myself.

There are always specialties that I won't touch like high pressure fuel pump replacement, steering pump rebuild or my first high output alternator installation. Those new skills are beyond my capabilities. I don't even want to think about the future big projects I won't be willing to tackle in my 43 year old boat. (knock wood)

I'll just deal with them as they happen, like this week's job that I can't do...a prop retune.
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I'm lazy, but also have various interests and doing maintenance on anything is not one of my interests. I would rather spend a day working in my chosen profession that doing maintenance on a boat. If I still worked regularly, I'd rather the work get done while I was away working.

I also find things like boat maintenance stressful. I don't like stress. I'm far less skilled than most here mechanically. However, I am likely far more skilled than many here in finding good people and companies to do mechanical work.
Yeah, I'm with you on this. Eventually I'll get to know the boat, and will be able to do more stuff on my own, but I'll never be the handiest guy on the dock. I just don't have the interest. I rarely did any DIY at my dirt house either. I had a good contractor that I was usually happy to pay, and the house ended up better for it. I find it a lot less stressful to fork over some cash to know things are done properly. Hopefully by the time I retire, everything will be fixed...

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Sometimes it helps to find someone to do the work with you. Even if you're paying them for their time.

As far as the aluminum tanks go, I'd plan to replace them at some point. If they're not the source of your leak, they will be at some point. Metal holding tanks have a pretty finite lifespan, unfortunately. Hopefully they're not too inaccessible on your boat.
I haven't done a full on technical assessment yet, but it looks like it might be an enormous pain in the ass to get those tanks out.

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Too bad the holding tank is aluminum. Aluminum does not last when exposed to urine. I would plan on replacing it asap with a tank from Ronko. They make really good holding tanks and will put fittings where you need them. No affiliation just happy customer. Good luck...
These tanks are original, so they're 35 years old. I'm sure that's more than enough time for them to have failed. Thanks for the tip on Ronko. I'll definitely keep that in mind.

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A leak that's adding significant amounts to the bilge, should be easy to find. Add water to the holding tank and pump out several times, until the pump out is clear. Fill and flush the head several times with water, and start look for leaks.

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This will be the procedure when I get to it. I've been keeping busy with other stuff lately, and haven't gotten around to doing any investigating lately.

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Fluorescein dye works great for something like this. It's used for many purposes, the stuff I have is used for downed aviators in the water. Also has many other interesting uses, like dying water towers, municipal and private fountains, construction dust spraying equipment, swimming pools, did I mention fountains?

One source above, there are many others. A packet like above would probably dye a half dozen Olympic sized swimming pools so they look like they are full of automobile antifreeze. . . . Why I once knew a person who shall remain nameless who may or may not have dyed all of Gig Harbor Washington in the mid-80's . . . from the harbor entrance, on an incoming tide . . . .

If you want to try it, a LITTLE goes a LONG way! Did I mention fountains?!? In the pic the user used about 1/4 teaspoon in a gelatin capsule . . . which conveniently didn't dissolve until the not so innocent parties were far away . . . Can you believe that after the third iteration, they actually posted ARMED GUARDS on the fountain? Made it more fun the 4th, 5th, and 6th times! Drove the CSM absolutely batshit crazy!

Dave, if you want to try it, and can't find anyway, I can send you some. Take care, hope you get to the bottom (no pun intended) of the problem soon!
Hey, I wonder if that stuff would work in a fountain... hahaha

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You can buy it in tablet form. Same stuff that public works has to trace sewers. I have a jar of pink and a jar of green.

Probably the same thing they drop in holding tanks to detect discharge overboard.

You can also buy dye that floresces with UV light. Can find in HVAC repair shops. But then you need a UV light source.
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I suppose Dave could just take one of the tablets...........maybe not.
I really should take this more seriously....
Please don't. I'm not, lol. Maybe I'll eat one before my next doctor's appointment. Hey Bruce, congratulations on your rain!
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Well, after a few days in Deltaville, I moseyed out of town on a cold, gray and drizzly morning. As was becoming a trend, the seas were lumpy early in the day, and slowly died off as I went along. The first two thirds of the trip were uneventful and pleasant. A mug of hot cocoa kept me cozy, and Stephen Fry read me some Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Then the fog rolled in. Thick as peanut butter soup it was, and me with no radar. As I'm sure you're all aware, this is not a pleasant feeling. I slowed a bit, and opened up the doors to listen for fog signals. I kept a close eye on the Marine Traffic app on my phone for AIS targets. I don't have one of those yet either unfortunately. I am glad I had the app at least, because It alerted me to the presence of 'US Government Vessel 56.' This turned out to be USS San Jacinto, a Ticonderoga class cruiser. She was outbound from the York River, and my path would have crossed hers if I'd continued. I thought better of it, and slowed down to drift outside the channel until she was well clear. I was deeply uncomfortable with the situation, until I realized that the radar she carries could probably tell them what I had for breakfast. She knew where I was. I just had to stay out of her way. She passed within three tenths of a mile, and I never saw or heard a thing.

I toyed with the idea of finding somewhere to drop the hook until things cleared up. There weren't any obvious options nearby that would offer me shelter from the easterly seas that were rolling in from the Atlantic, and the nearest decent anchorage wasn't that much closer than Hampton Roads, so I pressed on.

The fog slowly thinned out as I got closer to port, as did the traffic. I passed a few big fellas once inside the harbor, but visibility was pretty good by then. I was glad to pass by the Navy docks in daylight. What a sight that is. There were a couple of Nimitz class carriers, the hospital ship Comfort, a whole pile of Arleigh Burkes, and the Gerald Ford was in. She's a big girl, that one. Just massive.

I ran the rest of the way to Portsmouth along side a medium sized tugboat, and it was well after dark when I made it to the marina. I'd planned on tying up at Waterside, but when I called ahead, they said they didn't have any lowly 30 amp power for me, so I ended up across the river at Tidewater.

I liked that spot. I'd planned on spending a couple of days there, but that turned into three, and then four. I spent the whole first day just being a lazy slob. I played video games and ate pizza on the boat. It was wonderful. The following day I made my way into Norfolk and wandered around a little. I looked in at Waterside marina, and saw that they only had two customers, both were a great deal larger than Sylphide, and explained why my paltry 30 amp plug didn't give me much street cred there. I did recognize one of the vessels from our 'interesting boats' thread, which was neat.

I took a guided tour of USS Wisconsin, and even though it went half an hour long, it still wasn't enough time to see even half of the ship. There was only one other dude on the tour with me, and after the guided part was over, we wandered around for quite a while longer. All told, I was aboard for over five hours, and still never saw the machinery spaces. She's a big girl.

My new tour buddy and I ended up continuing our 'not a date' with a beer and a really delicious burger. I never would have thought to combine Waygu beef, chorizo, queso, corn, Fritos, and a potato roll, but I'm glad someone did. It was wicked good.

I took yesterday to get some chores done and restock the galley as I expected to be away from civilization for a few days. This morning I set off, with Coinjock in my sights. In the end, today turned out to be a very low mileage day. I lost about forty minutes waiting for NS#7 rail bridge to open. It gave me enough time to wash some Chesapeake salt off the windows, and get the dishes done, and read War and Peace, and build a matchstick model of the Eiffel Tower.

I also timed the Great Bridge lock poorly. I ended up treading water for another 40 minutes or so waiting for a transit, and then I waited a little longer for the Bridge itself. I had plenty of time to peruse the festival of stickers that were plastered all over the inside of the lock wall. I recognized a few names, and decided that I should probably get me some stickers, so that I might do my part to perpetuate the graffiti-ing of government property.

I pulled into Atlantic Yacht Basin to take a splash of fuel and fill the water tanks. I also decided to take my propane tanks for a walk into town. By the time that was all done, it was already after three o'clock, and I still had another four hours of steaming to get to Coinjock. I decided to throw in the towel early, and spend a night at AYB.

Tomorrow looks like a nice short travel day. I'll sleep in, and make my lazy way to Coinjock.

Life is good.
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Sounds like you are having a good time, congrats. Have to get a 50 to 30 amp adapter.
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An adapter like this will solve future power availability problems.

https://www.amazon.com/Parkworld-692...9434466&sr=8-7


I'll bet radar and 2 way AIS have moved up the priority list.

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An adapter like this will solve future power availability problems.

https://www.amazon.com/Parkworld-692...9434466&sr=8-7


I'll bet radar and 2 way AIS have moved up the priority list.

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Great writing again, as usual, Dave. I love the hilarious selfiesó hereís me with the propane bottles!

Question on adapters. I have two 30amp connections on my boat and have two 30amp cords. I have a ďsplitterĒ that joins those two cords to one 50 amp plug when thatís all thatís available.

Sometimes I only need one 30 amp feed if not using AC. Is it OK to just leave one side of that splitter empty and not use it or am I breaking some kind of ABYC rule?
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