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Old 09-06-2014, 03:55 PM   #1141
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Some of you guys act like there's competent crew available on every marina park bench. I've heard more horror stories from "professional captains" with decades of sea experience about taking new crew members on a crossing. Their thinking every time was "having someone along was better than nothing, at least they'd have someone for wheel watch" too. 3 days out the previously known or unknown crew member turns into a bigger liability than a busted through hull.
There are certainly some bad ones, many bad ones. But there are quality crew members available as well. I know I'm spoiled in that regard living in Fort Lauderdale. But selection is critical.

The problem is as you go for quality the cost might be prohibitive for many.
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Old 09-06-2014, 04:11 PM   #1142
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So the group wisdom seems to be that because crew can be incompitant it is better to go alone.

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Old 09-06-2014, 04:44 PM   #1143
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So the group wisdom seems to be that because crew can be incompitant it is better to go alone.

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That may be the group leaning but mine is find competent crew.
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So the group wisdom seems to be that because crew can be incompitant it is better to go alone.

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I don't think there's any group opinion here. You're hearing from different individuals with differing opinions and may be placing more weight to one side than another. Both sides are being stated, but IMO the "don't go it alone" group is fewer in representation but a couple are repeating their already-stated positions more frequently.

Kinda reminds me of a protest rally where one side is greatly outnumbered, but the smaller side breaks out the megaphones to try to make their side heard.
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Even the best trained and highly competent crew can falter at any given time...so can you. So while I respect the fact that the only person you start off trusting 100 percent is yourself...solo can degrade that performance to where a drunken monkey can be a better captain.

That said..I wholeheartedly agree that doing things solo can sometimes be something that borders on mystical...whether its the simple fact that you are stupid and cheating death...so be it.

Plenty do it and rave about it. Anyone who poo poos it...well do it your way but you ain't the judge or jury for anyone else...unless there's an accident...then all bets off....
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Old 09-06-2014, 09:01 PM   #1146
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Life ain't perfect or risk free, you make your choices and accept your risks. For the obvious follow up replies to this post about hiring a licensed captain go ask Galaxy Girl how that worked out her first time. That guy came recommended from someone she trusted as a marine professional if I recall and that was just a hop down the Florida coast, not a crossing from Azores to Ireland.
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GG was very lucky that situation did not lead to at least one dead person. Very lucky. They were only one break down away from having a drowned captain, a mom floating away in a boat and a bunch of kids stuck on a boat.

Life is risk but in the end we all are going to be end up dead.

I drive 75ish miles round trip to work on back roads and a highway. I would guess at least once a week I will have an idiot passing in a no passing zone and someone cross into the other lane of travel almost certainly dorking with their phone. One road has had around 10 accidents I know of where cars have just run off the road. In some cases, deer running on the road might have caused the accident but in others you could tell the cars simply drove off the road. The last accident I saw was a fatality when a car drove into the opposing traffic. No curve just a straight road and the person just crossed the line.

I would be much safer soloing like Richard did than driving to work.

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Old 09-06-2014, 09:14 PM   #1147
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Richard,

I finally made it through all of the posted videos and photos. Really nice. The videos really help put the viewer on board Dauntless.

Now, for the big question, did you declare your stowaway to customs? What did you do with the Monkey?

It's not completely accurate to say that Richard was alone on his trip to Ireland.

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Old 09-06-2014, 09:15 PM   #1148
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GG was very lucky that situation did not lead to at least one dead person. Very lucky. They were only one break down away from having a drowned captain, a mom floating away in a boat and a bunch of kids stuck on a boat.

Life is risk but in the end we all are going to be end up dead.

I drive 75ish miles round trip to work on back roads and a highway. I would guess at least once a week I will have an idiot passing in a no passing zone and someone cross into the other lane of travel almost certainly dorking with their phone. One road has had around 10 accidents I know of where cars have just run off the road. In some cases, deer running on the road might have caused the accident but in others you could tell the cars simply drove off the road. The last accident I saw was a fatality when a car drove into the opposing traffic. No curve just a straight road and the person just crossed the line.

I would be much safer soloing like Richard did than driving to work.

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She is very lucky on that. I don't know where she found that Captain or what the full story was, but it was certainly the kind of situation you don't like to see someone in, especially when their kids are involved.

We very seldom ever were on the roads after midnight but the couple of times we were in our previous home area we realized the danger was severe. That's where you get the line "Nothing good ever happens when you're out at 3 AM". When you see a car running well over 100 mph and weaving in and out or the other time two cars racing at well over 100 you consider yourself lucky to make it home. We did see one car run off the road by the first one but no one was hurt. Problem was by the time you saw them they were too far ahead to get a license number and by the time you dialed 911 and a patrolman responded they were long gone.

Then lest we forget there are other things far more risky to our health. One legal product that leads to far more deaths and is far more dangerous that anything Richard ever did. Just not immediate threat.
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Old 09-06-2014, 10:06 PM   #1149
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The down side,
Long story short,
I've read accounts of owners not realizing they had an incompetent crew member until they woke up with water in their cabin.

Many of you are assuming crew does what you expect them to do at any given moment.

I can find far more accounts of an action by a single crew member sinking a vessel or putting all on board at risk, then of single handers dying or worse.

Now, I've said that I would have preferred finding a crew mate, but to think that having a crew mate is always better than nothing, is simply not supported by the facts.
All well and good but it doesn't answer the questions. And my questions had nothing to do with whether it's better or not to have crew on a trip.

Nobody has said having any form of crew on board is better than having none at all. Nor is any one assuming crew always does the right thing 100% of the time any more than a captain or owner op. does. If I've got those statements wrong please raise your hand.

But since the discussion seems to have been deflected to the issue of crew, I have another couple of questions?

Do you have "Gumby" suits on board?

If you do, how fast can you get in one and over the side?

How fast can you get in one and over the side with your dominant arm tied behind your back?

How fast can you get in one and over the side with your dominant arm tied behind your back in the pitch dark in 15 foot seas?
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Old 09-07-2014, 08:59 PM   #1150
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I can find far more accounts of an action by a single crew member sinking a vessel or putting all on board at risk, then of single handers dying or worse.

Now, I've said that I would have preferred finding a crew mate, but to think that having a crew mate is always better than nothing, is simply not supported by the facts.
That is the exact thing I worried about for you. There's often a reason folks end up in "end of the world" spots. Sure, there are exceptions. But pick-up crew is seldom worth the price.

I'm sure there are exceptions. If you (insert name of TF poster-slash-expert) were selected, then for certain everything would have been fine and dandy. However none that were known to the Captain were available, thus he made the choice that seems from my perspective to be the wisest.

And of course it is natural to second guess or say what we would do in a similar situation.

Short story: Recently I had the option of crossing the Gulf of Mexico with crew or coastal hopping without. I opted to take the time to putter along the coast solo. So, one might consider that my endorsement of the Dauntless decision may be influenced by the fact that he did what I did -- went alone.

Perhaps my decision is tainting my opinion on his choice. In reflecting, I'm not certain myself. Given a qualified crew, that would have been "best" but I didn't have one.

And coastal along the Big Bend is an entirely different kettle of fish. I know that!
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Old 09-07-2014, 10:31 PM   #1151
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Richard,

My sincere congratulations on your crossing. If you get up to Dingle you'll find some great people and pubs. Love your blog. All the best. Great blog and pics.

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Old 09-08-2014, 12:00 AM   #1152
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When you get crew.. unless you have used them before you never know what you will get. We had friends years ago that were run over in the middle of the night when the crew was on watch.. they went from sleeping to swimming in 30 seconds.. the boat was crushed and split in two. They were all extremely fortunate to survive with minimal injury. They later wrote a book that I never read that I believe detailed what happened.. but the speculation at the time was the limited experienced crew fell asleep on watch.

When I do deliveries.. my sleep depends who is on watch. I have been aboard when a relative to the owner does a watch where I have slept with "one eye open" on the bridge when the relative does their watch.. I wouldn't of got any real sleep anyway in my cabin so I might as well be available if needed.

I still side with Richard and his decision to single hand.. he knew the risks and accepted them, and had a passage he will talk about for years.

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Old 09-08-2014, 04:49 PM   #1154
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Richard,

I finally made it through all of the posted videos and photos. Really nice. The videos really help put the viewer on board Dauntless.

Now, for the big question, did you declare your stowaway to customs? What did you do with the Monkey?

It's not completely accurate to say that Richard was alone on his trip to Ireland.

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Yes, the monkey got me thru the worst of it.

Now, back to the crew question.

I preferred to have another crew person, I didn't find anyone. I wasn't going to sit around, possibly have worse weather just to have another person.

and All I said was there were positives and negatives to every situation and to assume that a extra person is always a positive, is clearly wrong, as is the opposite.

And again, if you think it's just about finding the "right" person, I agree that they are the "right" person until they aren't.

Now, where's that monkey
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Are we beating that dead horse MORE??? Come on with it.....

Now for the single malt. Richard, have you tried any great Irish single malt?
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Yeah, I keep asking. I keep asking and so far no answer.
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That's a really cool trip, my avatar is of me going through a hurricane on the way to the Azores. I talked to my wife about doing something like this (many years down the road) and she's not opposed to it. It was a lot of fun reading this and I'm glad everything turned out ok. Safe sailing!
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That's a really cool trip, my avatar is of me going through a hurricane on the way to the Azores. I talked to my wife about doing something like this (many years down the road) and she's not opposed to it. It was a lot of fun reading this and I'm glad everything turned out ok. Safe sailing!
Over time I've been meaning to ask about your avatar. I've dented (caved in) a few containers in conditions like that.
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That's a really cool trip, my avatar is of me going through a hurricane on the way to the Azores. I talked to my wife about doing something like this (many years down the road) and she's not opposed to it. It was a lot of fun reading this and I'm glad everything turned out ok. Safe sailing!
A few years ago, some poor sailor asked the question on Cruiser Forum, I think, about crossing the north Atlantic in January.

Someone responded with a link to a video showing a tanker? being totally awash, almost submerged, pretty much constantly.

A really cool video.

I told myself Don't Do That and was totally dismissive of the guy.

My goal today is to finish writing the blog about the trip. I even have a regret, that I did not take more time to experiment with course and speed, in the heavy seas.

Maybe we could start a thread related to incidents of heavy weather and seas. We'd post just the facts, ma'am, trying to keep it as objective and informative as possible.
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Old 09-09-2014, 11:16 AM   #1160
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Maybe we could start a thread related to incidents of heavy weather and seas. We'd post just the facts, ma'am, trying to keep it as objective and informative as possible.
Richard - I look forward to that thread! - Cheers, Art
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