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Old 08-30-2014, 03:35 PM   #1041
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I haven't boated in those areas of Europe. However, I envision that they would be much like the areas around our capes on both east and west coasts---colliding currents and steep waves. I have boated quite a bit off shore of the NC capes, and I can tell you with a NE wind the waves build fast and steep.
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Old 08-30-2014, 05:41 PM   #1042
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Well, if you check Richard's new title, I'm in full happiness mode. The Dauntless Award indeed sums up the experience -- even for galley readers like self. Congratulations to both Richard and Julie.

You're amazing. And Dauntless too.

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Old 08-30-2014, 10:44 PM   #1043
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Good observation Don. I understood certain engines are rated for long/constant running( like JD, Gardiner etc), at the risk of upsetting Bob and Brian, I don`t think the FL was one of them. Now we know different. Of course good maintenance is a vital component.
There are two FL120s with over 80,000hrs on them. They run 24/7 as irrigation pumps. I have run mine for several days straight and would think they preferred to not be shut down.
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Old 08-30-2014, 10:53 PM   #1044
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There are two FL120s with over 80,000hrs on them. They run 24/7 as irrigation pumps. I have run mine for several days straight and would think they preferred to not be shut down.
We had a 4 cylinder derated to about 60hp on an asphalt machine. It had well over 20,000 hours when sold. It was still going strongly.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:23 AM   #1045
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That is what I based my 16'~18' guess on. The dinghy deck on Richard's boat is about 10' above the waterline. The picture that included that deck was shot from a slightly lower position, so if the wave appears in that sight line it is 10' plus the amount above the deck with an added amount for camera angle.

Most all of my time at sea the wave height was below my sight line from the bridge, which is a good thing considering I'm 60' above the waterline.
Man, I missed you guys.

I have this strange tendency to both over and then underestimate, because I don't want to be second guessed.

So, I'll see in this case a wave, I'll think, that wave is 12-14', but am I exagerrating?, I don't want to say 14' if its not, so I'll say 10'!


Yes, sometimes I clearly overthink things.

I really tried to take pictures when the boat was level and I could get some perspective into the shot.

THe top of the cowling on the fly bridge is 14.6'

I'd say now that wave was 13 to 15'.

I appreciate everyone's help and Deck Officer's expertise, as he has seen more waves than I'll ever see in this lifetime.
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Old 08-31-2014, 08:39 AM   #1046
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Richard, we are lost not tracking your every step. Oh, what happened, he slowed down to 2 knots and.... what could be wrong...
This is what was going on our side of the world. The best one was just before you went behind Bere Island you stopped. All of hearts sank. He ran out of fuel, he got air in the fuel, the seas are so rough something bad happened.
Well we don't know but my bet was you were pulling the parvane....
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The reports were 4-5 meters with a period of 7-8 seconds. One buoy was west of Richards position and the energy platform was to his east. All roughly 30-50 NM from Richard. Not nice that is for sure.

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The period was the killer. The boat would be literally heeled over at 30į when the next wave would break on the exposed hull with a bank like a cannon shot.
This would then push the entire boat sideways and down with the down wind cap rail being pushed into the water.

It's hard to describe my feelings. I had a few scary moments, but not really htis.

It's best described as if I were tied onto a roller coaster for 30 hours. i sort of knew that the coaster was not going to fly off the tracks, I knew that pattern, but I just was desperate for it to end.

When I get extremely stressed. I get sleepy. I think it's my body's defensive mechanism. I'm sure had I been on the open ocean I would have taken a bunch of benedryl and gone to sleep. But as I contemplated what to do, I realized I was too close to shore to take any sleep.

I'd just have to grin and bear it.

But I did have a plan if the engine stopped
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Richard: I got to hand it to ya when it comes to trust in your vessel. Of course, we'd need that to make the kind of voyage you've just completed, but the belief that you were on a roller-coaster that would NOT come off the rails.....well, that's a lot of trust.

BTW, the photo of the paravane doesn't show where you suspect the bend happened initially. Where along the pole was it exactly? Thanks for your continued sharing of this important data.
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Man, I missed you guys.

I have this strange tendency to both over and then underestimate, because I don't want to be second guessed.

So, I'll see in this case a wave, I'll think, that wave is 12-14', but am I exagerrating?, I don't want to say 14' if its not, so I'll say 10'!


Yes, sometimes I clearly overthink things.

I really tried to take pictures when the boat was level and I could get some perspective into the shot.

THe top of the cowling on the fly bridge is 14.6'

I'd say now that wave was 13 to 15'.

I appreciate everyone's help and Deck Officer's expertise, as he has seen more waves than I'll ever see in this lifetime.
Not from the perspective of a 42' vessel, you win hands down on that over me.
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Old 08-31-2014, 11:46 AM   #1051
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I'm impressed that the AP held in that big snot. On the planing boats I run around here, it can be described as "rough" when the AP loses it, and someone has to hand steer...

I guess a big part of it is the FD hull, big keel and big rudder, all of which a high speed hull lacks. Impressive, anyhow.
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Primary, a Delta on 400' chain, I absolutely love.

Secondary, a plough, a little worse for ware, on 30' chain and 270' rode. But this anchor I have set up that once I pull the shackle thru the hawse pipe form the chain locker, it will stream overboard. SO if I need an anchor down in a hurry, I would throw this one over. Also, because it's rode, should I need another 200 or 400', I can quickly cut the end and add the length I need.
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I'm impressed that the AP held in that big snot. On the planing boats I run around here, it can be described as "rough" when the AP loses it, and someone has to hand steer...

I guess a big part of it is the FD hull, big keel and big rudder, all of which a high speed hull lacks. Impressive, anyhow.
We probably need a thread dedicated just to autopilots.

I have a ComNav. Once you understand that the manual was written my people who did not think the users kne how to read, threfore they spent 300 pages dumbing down there manual to a point where none of it makes any f... sense.

So, getting past that and trying to figure out what really is going on is the challenge.

Let's take the smooth/rough water setting. 1 is for really smooth water, 9 is for really rough water. But this setting has nothing to do with the water, it's really a sensitivity setting, but they don't call it that because we are too stupid to understand what that means.

We only understand big waves and small waves.

So, after many miles, figuring out that it is sensitivity, I set it accordingly.

Ignore the sea state, what do you want it to do?

For me, on the ICW in a narrow channel, I need it on 1 to stay on track.
In big seas, when I crossed the gulf stream in big ass waves, it was on 1, because I noticed that it reacted faster than i did hand steering.

Crossing an open area, in medium seas, I put it on a high number, because it man meander a bit.
The boat will broach if you put it on 9 or do everyting about 10 sec too late.
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Your ComNav might have a dumbed down owner's manual but to not have any problems with it as you got into those northern lats says a lot for how robust they designed it.
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Richard,

I am curious about your track depicted below. I asked some of the guys that were in contact with you and their explanation went in one ear and out the other. Care to fill me in?

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I am curious about your track depicted below. I asked some of the guys that were in contact with you and their explanation went in one ear and out the other. Care to fill me in?


It's a trawler version of a "crazy Ivan". He thought he was being tracked by a hundred TF'rs. The double back was to confirm it was only 60 TF'rs following his every move.
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We probably need a thread dedicated just to autopilots.

I have a ComNav. Once you understand that the manual was written my people who did not think the users kne how to read, threfore they spent 300 pages dumbing down there manual to a point where none of it makes any f... sense.
Well it is designed for the commercial market. Fishboats, towboats and the military...
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It's a trawler version of a "crazy Ivan". He thought he was being tracked by a hundred TF'rs. The double back was to confirm it was only 60 TF'rs following his every move.
Too funny!!!
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It's a trawler version of a "crazy Ivan". He thought he was being tracked by a hundred TF'rs. The double back was to confirm it was only 60 TF'rs following his every move.
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Also, because it's rode, should I need another 200 or 400', I can quickly cut the end and add the length I need.
In 12+ foot seas? That would be entertaining.

What was the plan if the engine quit in a few thousand feet of water?
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