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Old 08-24-2014, 02:31 PM   #661
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More from Dauntless 12:54pm to 1:04 est:
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So I'm still slightly better than 4nm/gal.
Only 550 to go and I have 250gal left.

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That is pretty good fuel burn.

He is hoping that the low moving in to Ireland will continue to provide him with SSW wind/waves to help push him into Ireland. Should help his fuel burn as well.

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Old 08-24-2014, 02:37 PM   #662
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As in all phases of yacht ownership just calculating the fuel burn and capacity of a Dashew boat is only part of the equation.. yes they are fuel efficient at higher speeds.. but have you priced one of those things?. you can get a Nordhavn and a lot of fuel for the cost of a FPB. And Sailors get clipped in fast boats too.. because they believe they can out run the weather.. doesn't always happen though.
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True, Dat.

How shall I phrase this....

Is a 64 foot Nordhaven really "cheaper" than a FPB 64? Using the world "cheaper," or even the phrase, less expensive just does not seem correct in this context.

Hmmmm, how about, does a 64 foot Nordhavn really cost less than a FPB 64?

I thought there were both 2-3 million USD?

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Old 08-24-2014, 02:59 PM   #663
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What is a "ocean master course"?
Good question. Probably the wrong title. I think Richard took time out on his trip North at maybe Beaufort SC to take a course for licensing for ocean master.
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Found this site than appears to provide current & forecasted wx systems of N Atlan that are being discussed.

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Here is a link to the NOAA Ocean Prediction Center that has the charts Richard is using, Ocean Prediction Center - Atlantic

He is primarily using the current surface chart.

The 48 and 96 hour surface, 500MB, wind and wave charts are interesting to me but Richard is not using them for the most part. He did ask me today to check the 500MB chart to verify a high ridge over central Europe.

Other interesting European weather sites I have found:
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True, Dat.

How shall I phrase this....

Is a 64 foot Nordhaven really "cheaper" than a FPB 64? Using the world "cheaper," or even the phrase, less expensive just does not seem correct in this context.

Hmmmm, how about, does a 64 foot Nordhavn really cost less than a FPB 64?

I thought there were both 2-3 million USD?

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I depends on what you are looking for.. a FPB boat is nowhere close to the size and accommodation of even a N60. The FPB boats get their fuel economy and speed due to a narrow beam to length ratio... that is nothing new.. old rum runners and submarines use the same theory.

So to get the boat the size of a N60 you have to do a 90' FPB. Keep in mind that in Marinas, boat yards or anywhere they calculate fees it is typically on length. I know I am in rare company as I didn't/don't drink the Dashew cool aid. Funny thing is I like modern design, fast cars/planes/motorcycles but for a passage making boat a full displacement "traditional" boat is more to my liking. One that can be loaded heavy, has lots of deck places to hide out, and doesn't have that flat top vertical window y2K catamaran look. Also the idea of a unpainted aluminum boat is great for maintenance .. but you get your nuts roasted off on deck.. and you end you with white ..or grey aluminum marks on everything.

by the way.. I LOVED the Sundeer boats and the thought of one as a Cocoanut Run Circumnavigator.. as long as they were painted!

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I depends on what you are looking for.. a FPB boat is nowhere close to the size and accommodation of even a N60. The FPB boats get their fuel economy and speed due to a narrow beam to length ratio... that is nothing new.. old rum runners and submarines use the same theory.

So to get the boat the size of a N60 you have to do a 90' FPB. Keep in mind that in Marinas, boat yards or anywhere they calculate fees it is typically on length. I know I am in rare company as I didn't/don't drink the Dashew cool aid. Funny thing is I like modern design, fast cars/planes/motorcycles but for a passage making boat a full displacement "traditional" boat is more to my liking. One that can be loaded heavy, has lots of deck places to hide out, and doesn't have that flat top vertical window y2K catamaran look. Also the idea of a unpainted aluminum boat is great for maintenance .. but you get your nuts roasted off on deck.. and you end you with white ..or grey aluminum marks on everything.

by the way.. I LOVED the Sundeer boats and the thought of one as a Cocoanut Run Circumnavigator.. as long as they were painted!

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I completely agree with you, Hollywood. I'd rather have a boat along the lines of Dauntless. It is more economical than any boat I own. Make that far more economical. Dauntless has great range. The only reason fuel has become a subject is that it left Horta with considerably less fuel than it holds and some of us would have added some. Oh and just so the record is straight, Richard is getting better fuel mileage on this trip than a 64' Dashew at cruise. The Dashew gets about 2 nmpg.
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Good question. Probably the wrong title. I think Richard took time out on his trip North at maybe Beaufort SC to take a course for licensing for ocean master.
Maybe he means a RYA Yachtmsters Oceans. Is he a US citizen?
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Oh and just so the record is straight, Richard is getting better fuel mileage on this trip than a 64' Dashew at cruise. The Dashew gets about 2 nmpg.
The Dashew does a bit better than that. And is faster.
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The Dashew does a bit better than that. And is faster.

Thanks for that Capt.Bill. I do drink the Dashew Kool-aid and from his recommendation in his Cruising Encyclopedia I bought a used Cal 40 30 years ago. Even though a race boat, it made a great and fast cruiser.
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What equipment would Richard need to have access to above links or same data via shortwave?
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What equipment would Richard need to have access to above links or same data via shortwave?
Not enough bandwidth on HF. Satellite is the way and for Internet access while maritime mobile, a bit pricey. HF on the HAM bands are great for email, no big attachments.

All the ships I served on had full connectivity, TV, Internet, Comms, courtesy of our big golf ball.
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Were I to setup for ocean crossing and remote cruising I would install one. The data rates are enough for web connectivity and charges are reasonable under the circumstances. Yes, a lot higher cost then Richard's Delorme, which is still a fabulous piece of kit. But I would want to surf the net when other crew were on watch. I would always have a couple of other people on board...
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Were I to setup for ocean crossing and remote cruising I would install one. The data rates are enough for web connectivity and charges are reasonable under the circumstances. Yes, a lot higher cost then Richard's Delorme, which is still a fabulous piece of kit. But I would want to surf the net when other crew were on watch. I would always have a couple of other people on board...
Thanks for dropin that link. Good info with in,even if you never consider buying.
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I'm not good at reading weather maps. How much wind is he getting? If I'm reading things right it looks like about 30 mph on his port quarter. Is that right?
Has anybody talked to Richard this evening?
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The Dashew does a bit better than that. And is faster
Certainly faster but found your chart interesting since I had taken my numbers from Dashew's website (the 64). Now I didn't have information on the speeds less than 9 knots.

Fuel Capacity 3400 US Gallons

Cruising Speed 9.25-10.0-knots
Top Speed 10.5 knots

Approximate Range 9.0 knots – 6400 NM
9.5 knots – 5500 NM
Note: speeds/ranges are for smooth water, 75,000 pound displacement, clean bottom

So 6400 NM with a 10% safety factor would be just over 7100 NM with no safety. That comes out to 2.1 nmpg. At 9.4 knots your chart shows 2.8 nmpg and a range of 8899 miles.

I don't doubt your numbers. Just interesting and wonder what the difference was. As top speed was also faster on their current site perhaps a larger engine.
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Certainly faster but found your chart interesting since I had taken my numbers from Dashew's website (the 64). Now I didn't have information on the speeds less than 9 knots.

Fuel Capacity 3400 US Gallons

Cruising Speed 9.25-10.0-knots
Top Speed 10.5 knots

Approximate Range 9.0 knots – 6400 NM
9.5 knots – 5500 NM
Note: speeds/ranges are for smooth water, 75,000 pound displacement, clean bottom

So 6400 NM with a 10% safety factor would be just over 7100 NM with no safety. That comes out to 2.1 nmpg. At 9.4 knots your chart shows 2.8 nmpg and a range of 8899 miles.

I don't doubt your numbers. Just interesting and wonder what the difference was. As top speed was also faster on their current site perhaps a larger engine.
IIRC the early 64's were just that, below 65' for a variety of reasons. Later they bolted on an extension. Because it was bolt-on the boat still officially measures at <65'. It gave more waterline length and undoubtedly speed and range. As well as desperately needed usable outside space. So perhaps both sets of numbers are correct, and reflect evolution of the design.
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I don't doubt your numbers. Just interesting and wonder what the difference was. As top speed was also faster on their current site perhaps a larger engine.
They are Dashew's numbers.

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I see....his website and two different sets of numbers. I would think your numbers are more accurate as they are from a test.

I do find it funny all the time he spends comparing to Nordhavn as if one couldn't just look at the two boats and know there would be a huge difference.
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