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Old 08-04-2014, 12:49 AM   #261
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Yeah....I've been thinking the same thing. I wonder what the duty cycle at the helm is. Of course, there is the auto-pilot, AIS alerts, radar...etc..
I know he was looking for crew at one time, but think it's just the two of them. That's one thing I wouldn't do is go with just two. But then sailors do it single handed.
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Old 08-04-2014, 05:39 AM   #262
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These messages went into my spam Sat morning, I had asked Dauntless about weather services he may use, or if he is the weather service (his first sentence is him refering to himself):


That's right, But I only believe his fcsts half the time!
Delorme has a deal with OCENS for my InReach.
I can get text fcst for 24, 48, &/or 72 hrs.


Which means just bc a fcst is 90% accurate for a major metropolitan area, one can not extrapolate that number and think it's the same all over.

Only expect it to have the winds in the right quadrant with speed not more than 100% off.
I do miss synoptic wx charts, though over the open ocean their value

Over the ocean their value is limited due a variety of reasons, one of them being, a fcst is only as good as the quality of the verification.

When these were sent sat morning this was his position:
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The messages are broken up as he can only receive or send 160 letters at a time


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Old 08-04-2014, 06:22 AM   #263
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Sent Dauntless marine forcast for Flores and a sea buoy in the Azores, for Tuesday.
Also asked him if his first landfall is still Flores?
His reply's below:

Thanks for the fcst.
I have seen for the last 2 days that winds were fcst to be more w than they have been. So I've altered course to get south of the

Rhumb line, so that as the wsw winds increase, they will be right behind me.

We redeployed the Paravanes last night, as the waves from the S SE were becoming annoying.

Looks like they'll be out till landfall

May as well end the trip as we began



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Old 08-04-2014, 06:24 AM   #264
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Richard is asking for Insurance options, see below:


Pls post for me:

I got a quote from Pantaenius for European insurance that's almost 4x what I'm paying now.
Anyone know of any alternatives?

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Old 08-04-2014, 06:34 AM   #265
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Also this morning from Dauntless:

I'll share that Skyfall was a disappointment :-)

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Old 08-04-2014, 06:54 AM   #266
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This is such a cool trip! GO guys GO
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:15 AM   #267
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I am thinking he should put together a weekend talk next year about his trip adventures etc and we all pay a bit to put it together and he and his mate get a free weeks vacation to share with us for a 2 days

I think his knowledge of the seas weather etc is a bit beyond mine
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:18 AM   #268
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I would be in for that. Good idea!!!!
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:21 AM   #269
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I wonder if his increase of 4X was because of the trip (typical) or it went up after notification...
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:27 AM   #270
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Dauntless was also asking for some weather information:

Pls look at the north Atlantic sfc chart and tell me the locations of the centers of the Highs and Lows.

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I sent him this:

9:07 UTC Aug 4, NOAA

Well formed Low
61N-31W

Weak Low
50N-38W

High
35N-33W


He replied:

Perfect. Thanks.
Looking at the fcst, it seems thks high will be moving se, this putting the Azores in the that wsw flow.


That also explains the trw that have been to the east and south of me this a.m.
A weak trough must extend from the weak low sse just to my east.

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Others more qualified than me may want to send him data as well.
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Old 08-04-2014, 07:29 AM   #271
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As to the question posed to Dauntless this am about first port of call:

Oh just saw your previous msg.
Flores, Porto das Lajes, 239nm now

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Serveral communications from Dauntless this afternoon:


Just when one thought out was over, it ain't over till the fat lady sings.
Winds 24020kt have quickly built up seas 4-6'
We're rolling more than I like
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I've had to make our course more easterly, the problem there is that we'll miss the Azores!.
Now this is one of those times that I actually do look at the fcst



Why now?
Bc for 2 days it had said sw winds at 15 by this afternoon. So now, I have to assume that the on going fcst is also correct on keeping the sw winds up


So the only question now is how will I bite the bullet, so we don't miss em.


I think I may go back to the larger set off birds too.
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Wow, tough decisions. He is only 180 nm from his destination but... He should be able to stay ahead of Bertha but he will need to deal with some high winds and seas around Thursday or so from it. Hopefully he is snug in port at one of the Azores islands. bummer...
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"That's right, But I only believe his fcsts half the time!
Delorme has a deal with OCENS for my InReach.
I can get text fcst for 24, 48, &/or 72 hrs. "

Interesting based on that it doesn't sound like he is able to take full advantage of OCENS. With OCENS software and an account you can use a SAT phone to batch download all the weather charts and forecasts you want for any given area and display them on a computer.

As to watch keeping, I'd never do a trip that long with just two people if it could be at all avoided. If something goes wrong or someone gets hurt extra hands come in real handy real quick. Plus if it's at all rough it can be hard to get any real sleep.

Unless they are doing 6 on and 6 off watches I'm not sure how they would be getting much sleep even if it's calm. But different people handle that better than others.

I'll bet they sleep real well the first day/night once they hit the dock.
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:27 PM   #275
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As to watch keeping, I'd never do a trip that long with just two people if it could be at all avoided. If something goes wrong or someone gets hurt extra hands come in real handy real quick. Plus if it's at all rough it can be hard to get any real sleep.

Unless they are doing 6 on and 6 off watches I'm not sure how they would be getting much sleep even if it's calm. But different people handle that better than others.

I'll bet they sleep real well the first day/night once they hit the dock.
I'm must too conservative for that as well, Bill. Sleep. What if there's an injury or illness, then you're down to one. And my other reason is that it would just limit the time enjoying things together with one of you on and the other off. Meal preparation, rest room trips. I've seen too much happen when one thinks it's safe to step away for a bit or one is exhausted and decides to just take a quick catnap in the helm seat while on watch.

Not criticizing Richard, but I just couldn't do it personally.
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I'm must too conservative for that as well, Bill. Sleep. What if there's an injury or illness, then you're down to one. And my other reason is that it would just limit the time enjoying things together with one of you on and the other off. Meal preparation, rest room trips. I've seen too much happen when one thinks it's safe to step away for a bit or one is exhausted and decides to just take a quick catnap in the helm seat while on watch.

Not criticizing Richard, but I just couldn't do it personally.
I do not have a problem with two people onboard, sharing the duties.

In open water at 7 knots I also have no problem with leaving the helm and getting a drink, or something from the fridge, or a pee break.

Not much happens all that quickly at 7 knots. And in the dark you cant see anyway.

On long passages, you need to do something to pass the time. Reading a book, watching a movie, or even surfing TF is just fine as long as you're maintaining a good level of situational awareness
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I have been following this thread with interest. My wife and I did a similar trip across the Pacific. True, it was on a sailboat but still some things do translate. I wonder why they can't just heave-to under A/P and head into the wind and waves until the weather ameliorates, thus holding position and not running the risk of missing their destination. They might get a little respite from the watch and watch they must be keeping. There's nothing magical about the schedule of 13 days, other than a self-imposed goal. I also wonder if they have the fuel for an alternative destination.

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I have been following this thread with interest. My wife and I did a similar trip across the Pacific. True, it was on a sailboat but still some things do translate. I wonder why they can't just heave-to under A/P and head into the wind and waves until the weather ameliorates, thus holding position and not running the risk of missing their destination. They might get a little respite from the watch and watch they must be keeping. There's nothing magical about the schedule of 13 days, other than a self-imposed goal. I also wonder if they have the fuel for an alternative destination.

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There is no indication of weather conditions that need to be avoided in that manner. In fact, proceeding at speed seems right now to be the most likely means of avoiding any problems.

As to holding position, without much stronger winds than they're encountering, even an idle speed would keep them moving forward some. On the whole the conditions they've dealt with have been quite good.

They have fuel for some alternatives but not enough to go days with no progress. As to an alternative destination at this point, I think we're just talking different islands within the Azores so fuel wouldn't be an issue for them. Missing the Azores seemed somewhat in jest to me as he was commenting that maintaining a heading East would do that, not that he intended or needed to do that. As to bypassing the Azores and proceeding to the mainland, from what I know he probably has fuel to do that barring extreme circumstances but no reason to try.

You're reading something into the weather that I'm just not reading. One post mentioned high winds and seas on Thursday. Well, they're expecting landfall on Tuesday, so will experience any of Thursday's weather from shore.

The weather conditions they've had have been among the mildest and least problematic of the Atlantic crossings I've followed. 20 knot winds and 4-6' seas are nothing that will cause him difficulty, just not as pleasant a ride as he had earlier. Any of us planning Atlantic crossings would love to have nothing worse than that.
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This morning, 3am from Dauntless:

Our last night turns out to be our worst night.

Winds had increased to 25 kt from 240
Which also meant building seas, now about 6'
They're hitting the boat

At 130 off the bow, or 40 astern the beam.
But it became an issue when the birds
To complicated for a 160char text.
I replaced one of the birds and now ok


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I do not have a problem with two people onboard, sharing the duties.

In open water at 7 knots I also have no problem with leaving the helm and getting a drink, or something from the fridge, or a pee break.

Not much happens all that quickly at 7 knots. And in the dark you cant see anyway.

On long passages, you need to do something to pass the time. Reading a book, watching a movie, or even surfing TF is just fine as long as you're maintaining a good level of situational awareness



also...it sounds like the weather is only uncomfortable...not dangerous yet.

This is the real issue about bluewater...often you have to take what you get...this is where the SD...FD discussion can come into play.
I'll leave that to the proper threads.
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