Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-03-2018, 11:01 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
Westerbeke 3 cylinder generator repair

Still canít get it started after letting it sit for a year. Tried about everything!!
__________________
Advertisement

drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:17 AM   #2
Senior Member
 
Woodland Hills's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 355
A diesel needs three things to run: fuel, air and compression. Have you verified that all are currently present in the cylinders? What effect does a shot of ether have?
__________________

Woodland Hills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:21 AM   #3
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
Quote:
Originally Posted by Woodland Hills View Post
A diesel needs three things to run: fuel, air and compression. Have you verified that all are currently present in the cylinders? What effect does a shot of ether have?


Nothing at all. Yes I verified that itís not getting diesel to the injectors. I took the injection pump out and cleaned it but havenít taken the injectors out and cleaned them. Itís either one of them thatís not getting the diesel in the cylinders. Canít seem to find a Machanic here.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:24 AM   #4
Senior Member
 
Woodland Hills's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 355
If starting fluid won't get it to at least fire and spin over on the ether, you may have a compression issue. Why was it left for a year in the first place: mechanical issues?
Woodland Hills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:24 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
You would think that if I gave it a shot of ether it would run until it runs out of it. But does nothing. Donít have a compression gauge that goes high enough.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:28 AM   #6
Guru
 
Ski in NC's Avatar
 
City: Wilmington, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,381
Is rack free to stroke on side of injection pump? (you have it off engine, right?)

Was fuel solenoid pulling in when trying to start?

Did you hear fuel pump click when holding preheat?

Glow plugs getting power?

Can do a redneck comp test by putting ratchet socket wrench on crank pulley nut and turning in normal direction. Should feel compression resistance every 240 degrees of rotation, then as it bleeds off (normal) should spin easy again. If you can spin it easy and feel no bumps from compression, it's got no or weak compression.
Ski in NC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:31 AM   #7
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
No the solenoid is not shutting the diesel off. It has tons of compression.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:33 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
Iíve taken the glow plugs out and got new ones. Turned it over with them out and listened to see if they were the same. It use to run so donít get it.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:46 AM   #9
Guru
 
Ski in NC's Avatar
 
City: Wilmington, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 4,381
Why replace glow plugs? Super easy to test and on these quite reliable. Were they burned out?

Adress items in post #6 one by one.
Ski in NC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 12:00 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
Yes. Tested them and two were out.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 12:26 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
The Other Gary's Avatar
 
City: Toronto
Country: Canada
Vessel Name: Adios Dinero
Vessel Model: Bayliner 3988 2 x 330 Cummins
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 299
Tie a wire to the fuel solenoid linkage and pull and tie it in the on position. Hit preheat and listen for the fuel pump clicking. then try to start it. Corroded solenoid linkage is common.
The Other Gary is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 02:31 PM   #12
Guru
 
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Country: US
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 938
If you verified no diesel is getting to the injectors then the problem is probably air in the fuel lines. Sitting for a long time, fuel sometimes drains to the lowest point in the lines. Taking out the injector pump isn't a good idea unless you're skilled in engine timing. The problem is now more complicated. Injector pumps rarely go bad from sitting.
Troubleshooting should be to verify the lift pump has fuel and is passing it on to the injector pump. Then is it getting to the injectors. If not, the stop solenoid is the most common problem in that case. Or maybe the wiring that controls the stop solenoid. Then the linkage, if any.
You check fuel going to the injectors by slacking the fuel line nut on the injector top. It should be clear of bubbles. Running a diesel on ether creates very high pressures. Too much ether commonly breaks rings and then compression goes to hell and you need ether every time. Pics of continually starting on too much ether.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	too much ether.JPG
Views:	56
Size:	52.5 KB
ID:	74803   Click image for larger version

Name:	too much ether1.JPG
Views:	57
Size:	40.8 KB
ID:	74804  
Lepke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 02:39 PM   #13
Guru
 
High Wire's Avatar
 
City: Cape May, NJ and Englewood, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,126
If this is an 8BTD with a cylinder shaped lift pump, it has a filter in the bottom cap not mentioned in the manual. I pulled mine out and it was absolutely plugged like it have not been changed in its 30 years of life.
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon....aL._SL160_.jpg
__________________
Archie
1984 Monk 36 Hull #46
Englewood, FL and Cape May, NJ
High Wire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 02:43 PM   #14
Guru
 
High Wire's Avatar
 
City: Cape May, NJ and Englewood, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 2,126
Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkenbuddie View Post
No the solenoid is not shutting the diesel off. It has tons of compression.
Well I found 270# of compression was not enough to fire any cylinder on my 8 BTD. At the end of the season it ran. After 6 months of summer storage, no longer ran. My rings were seized to the pistons with carbon.
How many psi is "tons"?
__________________
Archie
1984 Monk 36 Hull #46
Englewood, FL and Cape May, NJ
High Wire is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 04:08 PM   #15
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 14,580
QUOTE
Originally Posted by Woodland Hills View Post
A diesel needs three things to run: fuel, air and compression. Have you verified that all are currently present in the cylinders? What effect does a shot of ether have? QUOTE

Needs reasonably correct timing too. Valves and fuel.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 05:47 PM   #16
Senior Member
 
Woodland Hills's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by High Wire View Post
Well I found 270# of compression was not enough to fire any cylinder on my 8 BTD. At the end of the season it ran. After 6 months of summer storage, no longer ran. My rings were seized to the pistons with carbon.
How many psi is "tons"?
My DD's need 425psi according the manual, they will start with 375/400, but will smoke until warmed up. IIRC my Sprite was in the 180psi range when new and it felt like it had tons of compression too when manually turning it over......

Still, it should pop or try to start on ether if it is anywhere close.
Woodland Hills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 05:50 PM   #17
Senior Member
 
Woodland Hills's Avatar
 
City: Jacksonville
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 355
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy View Post
QUOTE
Originally Posted by Woodland Hills View Post
A diesel needs three things to run: fuel, air and compression. Have you verified that all are currently present in the cylinders? What effect does a shot of ether have? QUOTE

Needs reasonably correct timing too. Valves and fuel.
Indeed, but with simple tools and no trained mechanic on the scene, it is fairly easy to check for fuel at the injector and for sufficient compression. Injection timing and valve timing are not as simple to inspect without a few special tools (often) or special knowledge (always).
Woodland Hills is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 09:38 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
I did bleed the air out many times and didnít use much either on it but no pop when I did. I didnít turn it over without the injection pump out so should be still in time. I guess Iím going to have to get a compression gauge to see the compression numbers. The synoid is not pulling on anything. Donít think itís that. I have the exhaust undone so watching the water running through my boat so know itís pumping water and not filling up the stack.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 09:41 PM   #19
Senior Member
 
drinkenbuddie's Avatar
 
City: Port Charlotte FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Indian Summer
Vessel Model: Marine trader Europa 36
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 158
I rebuilt my Ford Lehman so do know a bit about them. Lots of gassers but not much diesels.
drinkenbuddie is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2018, 11:17 PM   #20
Guru
 
motion30's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 791
You probably already checked this but it is the battery fresh? Those Motors need to turn over at a certain RPM and a low battery will not allow the motor to do that
__________________

motion30 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:54 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012