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Old 02-16-2013, 06:49 PM   #1
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To varnish or paint? There in lies the question

Ok I just spent six hours striping the first of three doors. After I epoxy soak them do I varnish and go with the older classic look or do I go 21st century and go back with paint. Argh I hate to cover stunning teak!!!!. I haven't even sanded them yet.

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Old 02-16-2013, 07:08 PM   #2
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Go for the white paint. It matches the rest of the boat. Me? I've six colors: green hull, grey deck, white superstructure, light-tan forward-cabin roof, red under-water hull, and yellow pilothouse roof and waterline stripe.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:13 PM   #3
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I prefer the contrasting color of teak. You already have them stripped, so why not let the beauty shine through. Of course that advice comes from someone who owns a GB32 with a forest of teak!
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Had this problem after a PO painted the previously varnished transom. Advice was once the area was painted it is near impossible to remove all vestiges of paint. Perhaps you could, with deep sanding. I think more paint is the solution. At least you won`t be sanding and varnishing it every year or so.
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Beautiful wood gives the boat character and a contrasting color. Plus it's not that hard to take care of it.
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:47 PM   #6
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Old 02-16-2013, 07:57 PM   #7
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I think I'll sand tomorow and repost the pics. It's only going to get harder to not varnish. I do like the clean more modern look but who am I kidding, this girl is a grown woman at 32.
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Old 02-16-2013, 08:49 PM   #8
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I'm not sure if u r aware of it or not, but for clear coating where you want clarity to see the color and grain of the wood, there is usually a special hardener for that. The normal hardeners are somewhat milky. I think that West System uses their 207 Hardener for clear coating. Not sure, just going from memory.
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Old 02-16-2013, 10:05 PM   #9
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I'm struggling with the same decision, Daddyo. Here's a pic of FlyWright when I bought her in 2007.



The PO had painted the lower door panels with what appears to be an epoxy enamel paint. This paint concealed the rotting door panels, but did not prevent further decay. From what I hear, this decay is a rather common problem on Californians from 30-35 years ago.

Newer models have white doors and metal door frames, but that look is a bit too sterile for my taste. I am thinking about splitting the difference and sealing the lower door panels in CPES, then painting them with white paint to match the house. I might leave the door frames varnished teak to match the window frames. Another option is to paint the entire door white but leave the door-window frames and the door handles varnished teak to match the sides.

There's a lot to be said for less varnish maintenance, but I DO like the look of teak!

Decisions, decisions...
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The door looks ready to paint but not to varnish. Like BruceK said, it's a lot of work to get a once painted surface clean enough to varnish.
Many years ago I had a painted wooden boat. I striped the transom to find it was beautiful Mahogany. After I got it to the point you've got your doors, I used Snappy Teak to remove the last of the paint from the grain and bleach the wood. Many coats of varnish and about a sleeve of sandpaper later, is was stunning.
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if you can get the teak back to acceptable look to varnish.. varnish the doors...it is a travesty to paint teak. if in the future it gets too much to maintain revarnish then paint the doors.. it will make it easier for the next owner to strip the paint and get back to the varnish.
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If you do decide to paint might want to apply a couple coats of varnish first to fill in the grain.
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Ok I just spent six hours striping the first of three doors. After I epoxy soak them do I varnish and go with the older classic look or do I go 21st century and go back with paint. Argh I hate to cover stunning teak!!!!. I haven't even sanded them yet.
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I was faced with the same issue Daddyo, so I compromised and did both. I stripped the door out to the cockpit and the teak steps up to the flybridge the PO had also painted over, then used Cetol Marine Natural on it and they look fine.
Whereas the pilot door on its own on the side, as raised above, does sort of match the overall white look and a varnished door there, without all the windows and other external timber varnished to blend with it, would look a bit odd, so I left that painted.
The pics below sort of illustrate the point if you look close. Sorry not close-ups.
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My vote is to paint. Our pilot house doors are painted the rear doors are not but they are more protected from the elements. After sanding, we primed with Interlux Pre-Kote then brushed on Interlux Brightside one-part polyurethane thinned with Interlux 333 Brushing Liquid.
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Old 02-17-2013, 08:09 AM   #15
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If you can sand those doors without leaving white spots, varnish them. Painting teak should be considered a crime.

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Old 02-17-2013, 08:28 AM   #16
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Strip and varnish. If you paint teak, it might as well be something cheap like pine.
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The PO of our boat had painted the teak toe rails white. We (mostly the Admiral) removed most of the paint with furniture scrapers. That left the little flecks of white paint in the grain. The Admiral (bless her heart) slowly removed all those with some paint stripper and a small bronze brush. For a finish, we did what was recommended on this site. Two coats of Smith's Clear Penetrating Sealing Epoxy, followed by three coats of Cetol Natural. We love the results, worth all the effort.

I agree painting teak is a crime, right up there with using 3M 5200 as a sealant everywhere.
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The PO of our boat had painted the teak toe rails white. We (mostly the Admiral) removed most of the paint with furniture scrapers. That left the little flecks of white paint in the grain. The Admiral (bless her heart) slowly removed all those with some paint stripper and a small bronze brush. For a finish, we did what was recommended on this site. Two coats of Smith's Clear Penetrating Sealing Epoxy, followed by three coats of Cetol Natural. We love the results, worth all the effort.

I agree painting teak is a crime, right up there with using 3M 5200 as a sealant everywhere.
Whether I paint or varnish I'm going to coat in West with special clear hardener but I have not heard of using Cetol instead of varnish for the top coats. Any problem getting the Cetol to adhere? How long ago did you do it? Did you put the Cetol first coat on before the epoxy was fully set?
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Varnished boats look good at the dock.Painted boats look good at SEA!
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Varnished boats look good at the dock.Painted boats look good at SEA!
But more people see them at the dock than at sea.

Ever priced teak lumber? I didn't think so.

If you knew how much it cost you would understand why people say its a crime to paint it.
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