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Old 09-07-2013, 08:47 PM   #1
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Went to start engines. Stbd starts right up. Port nothing. Turns over. Seems like its not getting fuel. My mechanic figured it out. Can you?

Hint I cracked the primary fuel filter bleed nut and the mechanical lift pump pumped the fuel out so no air in system...

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Old 09-07-2013, 08:53 PM   #2
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Fuel shutoff valve pulled out, if mechanical shutoff.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:56 PM   #3
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Today's problem as a thread could turn out to be long one. with proper thread drift.

SWAG it is a stuck fuel shut off solenoid.
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Old 09-07-2013, 08:58 PM   #4
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I can't believe it took me 4 minutes to spell solenoid.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:07 PM   #5
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Today's problem as a thread could turn out to be long one. with proper thread drift.

SWAG it is a stuck fuel shut off solenoid.
Getting warm
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:14 PM   #6
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Oil pressure switch - nah

Transmission neutral safety switch - maybe

but getting warm sounds like a hint

Loose temperature sensor wire that fools overheat system.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:17 PM   #7
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The tank you've been running that engine on is empty!
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #8
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The tank you've been running that engine on is empty!
Tanks are 3/4 full.
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Oil pressure switch - nah

Transmission neutral safety switch - maybe

but getting warm sounds like a hint

Loose temperature sensor wire that fools overheat system.
Nope
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:20 PM   #10
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Hint: solenoid was fully closed meaning plunger was engaged. Solenoid was checked. It worked good. ( by the way some of us have the same solenoid on genset if needed. )
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Rings are shot...no compression.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:40 PM   #12
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On a Honda it would be the low oil sensor kicking in.
Not part of any diesel I have.

On my boat the solenoid pulled in would shut down the fuel supply. It is engaged by completing a circuit with the push button at the helm - or a short across the two connectors.
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Old 09-07-2013, 09:54 PM   #13
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Time for a little thread drift - you were warned!

There was a time when I was having an issue with my shut off solenoid. Back before 9/11/01. Things were a little more shall we say unenforced back then. We have great sunsets in Michigan City, IN. Back then we did a lot of cocktail/sunset cruises. Anyway we have a power plant across the creek from the marina. (which by the way it is harder to find a picture of both the marina and the power plant on the internet than finding a ball in high weeds) But is really close. We get back the dock, push the stop button and it does not quiet. Push again - nothing. Go back lift hatch - lay down and reach for the linkage. Nothing. Try again, and again.


Twenty minutes later I realize we are try to get the plant to be quiet.

Same solenoid still going.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:32 PM   #14
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My only failings to start is not to have the gear shift exactly at neutral. Perhaps something electrical prevents the engine from believing the gear is in neutral.
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Old 09-07-2013, 11:48 PM   #15
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if that perkins engine has an air dampner then that could be the issue.


Diesels only need ...

compression
fuel
air

to run
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Old 09-08-2013, 12:00 AM   #16
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Throttle linkage came loose at the injector pump. Couldn't advance the throttle above the idle position to start the engine.

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It's 'cause you have twins, and that means double the potential for trouble...as KSanders said, it only needs air, compression, and fuel to run, (seeing you said it turned over), and you wouldn't suddenly lose air, so it comes back to either the engine stop was still engaged = no compression, or the fuel was shut off to it in some way...so if they are not it...OK, WE GIVE UP, WHAT WAS IT...?
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Old 09-08-2013, 03:01 AM   #18
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Someone replaced the engine with a plastic replica?
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Of course, Bruce...'s'obvious when you think about it...
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Hard to tell from a "didn't start" only declaration...if it was spinning too slowly...it may not start (most of the time noticeable but not always).

Mechanical fuel pump leaking into crankcase.....

Primary fuel filter failure.

Crack bleed screw on injector pump to see if fuel is being delivered to it...

Check fuel return line open to a tank...

OK..none of the above after rereading posts...your statement

"Hint: solenoid was fully closed meaning plunger was engaged. Solenoid was checked. It worked good. ( by the way some of us have the same solenoid on genset if needed. ) "

leads one to believe it's how the solenoid mechanically engages the injector pump....for those of us without Perkins would have to leave it with "fiddle with solenoid and connection till it works".
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