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09-04-2019, 08:16 PM
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Member
City: Navarre Beach
Vessel Name: Rain Dog
Vessel Model: 1983 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 11
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For Those Who Have Had Their Teak Decks Removed
I have gone through the archives and could not find this, just very general answers
**I’m looking for price feedback from folks who have had their teak decks removed and painted with non skid. ** I realize prices will vary due to condition and choice of paint etc.
Please, if you have had this done to your vessel, can you answer these questions?
1) who did the project ( a referral would be greatly appreciated)
2) how much was the final cost
3) general idea of extensive repair of subdeck ( lots of rot vs. very little repair needed, need to build up fiberglass etc)
4) boat make and model
Thanks
Erika
PS this list would help many, not just me :-)
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09-04-2019, 09:47 PM
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Guru
City: La Conner Wa.
Vessel Name: Sea Fever
Vessel Model: Defever 49 RPH
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 877
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Well, we don't know enough from you have told us. How big is the boat? About how many square feet of teak? No one knows what they will find under the teak. It could take two guys a month to do the job at $100.00 per hour each, plus supplies. Is the boat worth new $30,000 dollar decks? This is one project that most people would do themselves.
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09-04-2019, 10:06 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle, WA
Vessel Name: Pau Hana
Vessel Model: 1989 PT52 Overseas Yachtfisher
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 2,676
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell Clifton
Well, we don't know enough from you have told us. How big is the boat? About how many square feet of teak? No one knows what they will find under the teak. It could take two guys a month to do the job at $100.00 per hour each, plus supplies. Is the boat worth new $30,000 dollar decks? This is one project that most people would do themselves.
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Per her avatar, it’s a 42’ Grand Banks...
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09-04-2019, 10:28 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,129
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It will depend on what they find when the teak has been removed. What condition is the core in? Is the top fiberglass thick enough without the teak or is more glass needed in order for the deck to be structurally sound? How bad was it to get the teak off? How badly was the fiberglass damaged when the teak was removed? I would guess it would cost between $20 and 30K to have it done. As mentioned most of the time this is done it is DIY due to the cost.
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09-04-2019, 10:39 PM
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Guru
City: Friday Harbor, WA USA
Vessel Name: FORTITUDE
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 54-8
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,015
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I agree on the $20K+ estimate for removal, re-glass, refinish (non-skid) for a 42' trawler. If you find significant delamitation or rot then those repairs would represent additional project costs above and beyond the replacement. I would expect to find those issues in any screwed down teak deck.
We replaced our boat deck recently (DIY). Materials were about 10% of that cost, but our (sweat equity) labor hours were extensive due to our decision to go all in on a complete deck replacement.
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09-05-2019, 12:01 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,129
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And a nice replacement deck it is.
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09-05-2019, 01:21 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,260
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I have some costs from 2012. Work done by BUMS at Port Townsend, WA. I removed deck hardware and teak, but then left the guys to do the rest. The core was balsa, and about 40% rotted and 50% wet. The thin GRP layer below the balsa was intact, no interior leaks.
We replaced in strips about 4ft wide so as to have something solid to work from. Replacement was 2 x marine ply layers bedded with vinyl ester resin to give same thickness as balsa, I think 5/8". The ply joins on the top layer were staggered across the lower layer. Faired and then a new GRP top layer created, probably around 3/16", once again wth vinyl ester resin. Then faired and awl grip, with micro balloons for non-slip. The area was approx 92 sq ft, and the BUMS cost was $17,000. Very happy with result. Now 7 years on, no issues at all.
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09-05-2019, 01:29 AM
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Senior Member
City: Perth
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 374
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell Clifton
Well, we don't know enough from you have told us. How big is the boat? About how many square feet of teak? No one knows what they will find under the teak. It could take two guys a month to do the job at $100.00 per hour each, plus supplies. Is the boat worth new $30,000 dollar decks? This is one project that most people would do themselves.
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I think the question is who's had it done ?
Not asking for a quote
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09-05-2019, 03:03 AM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
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Mine was done in Australia, so not 100% helpful, on a 1981 36ft Island Gypsy Europa. All teak was removed. Except for 2 ft square sections after stepping up to bow level, the deck sandwich material underneath was intact foam. The 2 squares of teak were soft and wet, and replaced with foam. I wanted fresh teak in the cockpit and side decks,and painted non slip on the exposed foredeck.The former required one layer of fiberglass laid, the latter needed 2 layers, to restore stiffness. The glued on fresh teak was expensive, the painted non slip way cheaper, but the cost was worth it. Paint choice cost would be a minor consideration.
Water ingress is the big issue, you either do the job or hopelessly compromise the boat. There`s little option but to fix it.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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09-05-2019, 06:43 AM
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Guru
City: Saint Petersburg
Vessel Name: Weebles
Vessel Model: 1970 Willard 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2019
Posts: 7,166
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While I do not have teak decks, I did have some delamination and rot repaired as part of a larger redit/restoration. First stop on my cruising plan was Ensenada MX, South of San Diego. I found a small team of workers (NizaMarine.com) who include excellent fiberglass and paint workers. I cannot speak to the exact cost as it was blended with some other work, but in general, I've been surprised at how quickly skilled fiberglass workers can work.
I live in St Pete FL where our boat will eventually end up. I considered of the boat shipped to Florida and having the work done there. I talked with many yards - some in out of the ay places - to see if there were affordable options for a large project. I received tepid responses, and the yard rates were not much different than San Francisco Bay area yards - $125/hr range. So I spent some money getting the boat seaworthy for the 500nm trip south to Ensenada and headed south.
I see the OP is in the panhandle of Florida. I hear rumor there are capable and affordable yards in Isla Mujeres MX which should be within range of your GB 42 (assuming she's in reasonable condition). I know there is a decent cruiser community there - shouldn't be too difficult to tap into if you're up for the adventure.
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09-05-2019, 07:15 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,817
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09-05-2019, 07:37 AM
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Guru
City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,856
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Looks nice. Kiwi Grip is just the non skid portion correct? Is the gloss paint of Gelcoat?
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09-05-2019, 08:18 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,817
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cigatoo
Looks nice. Kiwi Grip is just the non skid portion correct? Is the gloss paint of Gelcoat?
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Yes, Kiwigrip is just the non skid top coating. Gelcoat does a great job of fairing the fiberglass surface, is durable, and easily sandable. The shiny top coat is Awlgrip paint over the Gelcoat.
Ted
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09-05-2019, 12:14 PM
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Member
City: Navarre Beach
Vessel Name: Rain Dog
Vessel Model: 1983 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 11
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Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I’m looking to hear from those who have had it done.
If I get a good pool of prices, company and location, and boat info. I’ll make a list for other to reference for price range and hopefully yards/contractors to look into.
Thanks again,
Erika
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09-06-2019, 05:23 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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"By using one of KiwiGrip's proprietary rollers (sold separately) and by varying application technique, the texture can be adjusted from fine to aggressive for the right amount of traction."
How aggressive can be done?
I know it will never match the current USN antiskid that has chunks of flint , but great traction is still a requirement .
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09-06-2019, 06:45 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,817
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FF
"By using one of KiwiGrip's proprietary rollers (sold separately) and by varying application technique, the texture can be adjusted from fine to aggressive for the right amount of traction."
How aggressive can be done?
I know it will never match the current USN antiskid that has chunks of flint , but great traction is still a requirement .
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The level of aggressiveness is a function of how thick a coating you apply and how much you roll it. My swim platform is around 100 grit sandpaper. Most of the boat decks are much more aggressive. A few spots are uncomfortable to walk on barefoot. Basically it goes on with the thickness of cake frosting and then shrinks some as it dries. You want to do several test squares (1' x 1') on cardboard or scrap wood to determine the thickness and amount of rolling to get the desired effect you want. There are a number of videos on the internet showing technique and results.
Ted
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09-06-2019, 10:17 AM
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Guru
City: Miami River
Vessel Name: Gotcha
Vessel Model: Grand Banks. Heritage. 54
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 2,988
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I believe Howard (the guy who losses shoes) had his done ar Grand Banks in Stuart. You may want to pick his brain (possibly a bribe with a pair of shoes).
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09-06-2019, 10:48 AM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,129
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I painted the top of the hardtop over our sundeck with Kiwigrip. I didn’t want it very aggressive so I used a regular roller. It isn’t very aggressive but looks great. With their roller you will get a pretty aggressive non skid. If you roll it once and let it sit for a bit then roll it again you will get extremely aggressive non skid.
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09-07-2019, 06:48 AM
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TF Site Team
City: MX, thru Canal to Bahamas
Vessel Name: Muirgen
Vessel Model: 50' Beebe Passagemaker
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 3,384
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On my old 34 Monk, I redid the rear cockpit, stripping down to wood. On the suggestion of an old timer (got to be careful of that phrase, since by definition, I guess I AM one now!) I put down West System Epoxy, first coat, while still tacky, I sprinkled clay type kitty litter on the epoxy to the "traction level" that I desired. Then put on second coat of West System. The epoxy, soaked into the clay kitty litter, creating an epoxy reinforced matrix. The epoxy also smoothed over the bits of kitty litter, rounding them off. Then finished off with Awlgrip. When I sold the boat 4 years later, it still looked brand new. Hint: make sure you use Marine Grade kitty litter!
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09-13-2019, 03:53 PM
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Member
City: Buffalo NY
Vessel Name: Un-Corked
Vessel Model: Grand Banks Classic
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 9
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Paint instead of remove and save $14000
I got a price to remove, glass and paint the decks on my '73 gb 42 for $15,000 in cape Canaveral FL. Painted with tuff coat for $600 myself. Two years later my creme colored no skid surface looks great. I know many consider what I did a very bad idea but I would do it again in heart beat. Clean, prime, paint with roller. Enough left over to touch up the high traffic areas which I have not had to do. Comes in a rainbow of colors. No regrets. My teak was in decent shape, some minor+ leaks, but cost of refinishing/ calking was just not rational. Tuff coat holds up well on fuel spills and also eliminated my leaks.
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