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Old 06-28-2016, 09:18 AM   #1
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Teak handrails?

A couple of the boats we are looking at have teak handrails that has been varnished. One is in good shape and another the varnish is almost completely gone.
My question is about Cetol or similar products. Are there any advantages to using this instead of varnish each year?
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:09 AM   #2
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Cetol is easier to maintain than straight varnish.

That said, it certainly doesn't look as good.
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:19 AM   #3
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As I understand Cetol it won't have the shiny finish of varnish, correct?
How difficult would it be to go back to varnish if it has cetol?
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I've never used Cetol. We maintain our handrails with Epifanes high gloss.
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As I understand Cetol it won't have the shiny finish of varnish, correct?
How difficult would it be to go back to varnish if it has cetol?
Being both old and lazy I have used Cetol for several years. It is as shiny as varnish but has more pigment so has sort of a muddy look rather that the deep shine of varnish. In southern California it can last a year or two with no maintenance. A yearly light sanding and one coat of clear keeps it looking new. From a few feet away it is hard to tell from varnish so I feel it is a good tradeoff.

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Greetings,
Mr. fo. "Regular" Cetol (Marine, I think) does not have a very high lustre BUT Cetol does make a clear high gloss product which we've used and are satisfied both with it's shine and longevity. We applied two coats of Marine and 3 coats of clear gloss. Nope, not "bristol" 10 layers deep but given the ease of application, just as good.
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Looks to be some good research Exterior Wood Finish Test Two-year Update - Practical Sailor Print Edition Article
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As I understand Cetol it won't have the shiny finish of varnish, correct?
How difficult would it be to go back to varnish if it has cetol?
If the varnish is that far gone strip & sand it bare then use 3 coats of Cetol natural teak to get your color and then 2-3 coats of Pittit captains or Epifanes clear gloss varnish to get a much higher gloss.
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Epifanes is great because you do not sand between coats. One very good product that few people have tried is Letonkinois. It has stood up bery well in the southern Chesapeake. American Rope & Tar LLC :: Le Tonkinois - Original
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I hate sanding and varnishing teak. I think the gray, weathered look of teak looks fantastic on any boat that I have to maintain.

You might just consider teak oil. Strip and sand off the varnish that is there, then use a teak oil. It is easy to apply, and usually can be done once or twice a year depending on your climate.

I would much rather be out on my boat enjoying it, than stuck at the dock sanding and varnishing. Maybe if I was retired, didn't have a bad back and a bum knee.... nah, still wouldn't do it.
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Old 06-28-2016, 07:30 PM   #12
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If you leave teak without any finish the softer material erodes and you get ugly ridging. It pays to use something.
I use Cetol Gloss for some teak, and Deks Olje 1 & 2 for other teak. The latter is easily maintained after initial saturation, lacks the deep gloss of alternatives,but you almost never have to go back to bare wood.
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Old 06-28-2016, 08:31 PM   #13
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seriously why do you want put anything on you teak ?

previously on OA we had varnish on cap rail on now on the Terranova we have bare teak...
I love outside varnish but on boat's friends ...

on you teak deck to you put any product ?

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Teak when left natural will look great for years. If the grain is raised, it is due to teak "cleaners" and or power washing or scrubbing the teak. If it is just left unfinished and not "cleaned" it will last for years and will not raise the grain.
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Epifanes is a hard low oil varnish and not ideal IMO for cap rails. I prefer McCloskey's Spar Varnish because it' a high oil product that has a maximum amount of flexability. This helps the varnish film remain intact while the wood expands and contracts. The joints and screw heads are vulnerable to water ingression when the coating film fails.

But the high oil varnish scuffs easily from shoe contact while boarding. I'm using Epifanes on my kitchen table but keep using McClosley's on my cap rail.
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Now Eric, he was asking about hand rails not cap rails or more properly rail caps! Teee heeee!!
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Bristol and Cetol are my favorites in different applications.

Most failed clear coat systems fail to heat and UV, and improper applications to the substrates.

Here is a digital deck temp of 169 F a couple of days ago. Air temp was 90.

Don't combine "apply in sun is ok" with "apply in 100 F heat is ok".

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I have a great respect for teak, feel it's extremely important to maintain this noble wood, and strive to keep it out of direct sun light and salt spray at all cost. Here is a long term low maintenance solution for teak hand rails.

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Ted,
You've raised more questions than answers.

Details details details or it's just a few pictures.

How do they get from the redish brown stuff that looks goopy to the smooth white. And if by sanding how does one avoid ending up w ridiculously thin overcoat or sanding right through??....

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I know the difference but hand rails get scuffed up too. Probably not so much from feet but dragging stuff over them ... perhaps tool or boxes of stuff. Same issue .. when the hard scuff resistant coatings crack water gets to the teak and under the coating. That results in black stains and the water slowly spreads out and lifts off the coating. My experience has been that flexability is more important than hardness. Add touch up friendliness to that preference as well.
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Good God! Did they put that filler on with a hair comb or a wire brush? :-)

And why not just seal the rails with clear epoxy and then prime and paint?
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