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Old 10-17-2013, 11:32 PM   #1
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Swimgrid re-do

Several years ago I rebuilt my swimgid, adding 13" depth to the inside. At the time I chose to let the upper surface go grey and I varnished the underside. The ladder position that i chose was to through bolt the ladder at the port end, so that, flipped up, the ladder stood against the transom and flipped down it hung over the aft edge of the swimgrid. This location created a lot of torque when heavier swimmers climbed up and the epoxied joint between the last of the old boards and the first of the new boards at this location sprug apart. It is now time to repair and redesign. I will not be putting the ladder back in the same place, but will turn it so that it hangs over the end of the swimgrid and when flipped up, will no longer be against the transom, but will be against the back of one of the tubes of the dinghy. this location will also enable launching the ladder while the dinghy is raised, something I have been missing since going to a larger dinghy.

Close inspection of the teak reveals that "going grey" does nothing for the deterioration of the teak from the sun, salt and wear, which has taken a considerable toll in the years since I did the SG last, so I am considering a finish for the top surface. The varnished underside is in need of a recoat, but has survived quite well, with no green algae, as it had when left unprotected. I don't want to use varnish, unless it turns out to be the best option, as I like the great traction unprotected teak provides. I don't like the look of Cetol, but again, if it turns out to be the vest option... Others use Deks Olje, but I have a little experience with that product and don't think it is durable enough, as it would require recoating several times a year in order to provide both traction and good looks.

Are there other options I should consider?
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:47 PM   #2
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We use Cetol Natural with great results, not slippery and looks good.
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Old 10-17-2013, 11:50 PM   #3
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I use Deks Olje No.1,the oil not the No.2 gloss, on the swim platform, it`s easy to use, you`re right it`s not durable, but it is non slippery and safe. I`d like something better too.
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I use Cetol on the top surface, but I add some non-skid sand for traction. Works good.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:23 AM   #5
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Just refinished my swim platform ( original 35-year old platform on a Marine Trader 44) with the 3-part product...(1) cleaner, (2) brightener, (3) teak oil. Looks great, but you're right, it needs regular re-coating with teak oil to keep the good looks. My understanding is the teak oil treatment helps preserve the wood. Is this not correct? Would appreciate hearing from others on this.
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Old 10-18-2013, 10:28 AM   #6
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Mike: Thanks for the note. Is Rochepoint kept in a shelter? I know she was and had been for many years back in 94 when we were looking. Has she been kept outside at all since then? How many years do you go between refreshing coats of Cetol?

JL: Is Attitude Adjustment kept in a shelter? If outside, how many years do you get between re-coatings.

Bruce: I used Deks one season on a previous boat. It looked good for a matter of days or weeks, but I am looking for something that will go years. Thanks for your comment.
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Old 10-18-2013, 12:03 PM   #7
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After spending sometime on the wooden boat site, I left my swim grid unfinished. It is about 50 years old and looks great when wet, very gray when dry, but the wood is sound. From what I read on that site, teak needs nothing, and any coating is for aesthetics.
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Rochepoint is in a shed, but we only redo the swim-grid once ever 8 years and with Cetol is is easy to re-coat anytime.
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Old 10-18-2013, 02:05 PM   #9
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I'm waiting for someone to use starboard on a swim grid - has anyone done that? Is it good in UV?
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I'm waiting for someone to use starboard on a swim grid - has anyone done that? Is it good in UV?
Took a Starboard one off. It had a zillion spider cracks running every which way and it didn't have enough support so it sagged like limp spaghetti in a couple of places.

Built a new one out of PlasTeak last winter. So far, so good. No sag and easy to keep clean. Not slippery. Gets even grippier when wet.

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After spending sometime on the wooden boat site, I left my swim grid unfinished. It is about 50 years old and looks great when wet, very gray when dry, but the wood is sound. From what I read on that site, teak needs nothing, and any coating is for aesthetics.
Mine is similar age and shape un coated but the dry color cheesed me off and I now coat it quarterly with teak oil for aesthetics.
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JL: Is Attitude Adjustment kept in a shelter? If outside, how many years do you get between re-coatings.
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Always outside in the New England area. Under shrink wrap in the winter (on land).
I usually re-coat every year, and about every 4 years I strip (sand) and re do it all.
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I tossed our old one and built a new one last year out of IPE. Much stronger than teak. Looks like teak. Lasts like teak and a fraction of the price.
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I had one built about 2.5 years ago. Used plantation teak. I oil it about every 6 months (Top only) and it's still looking good.
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I tossed our old one and built a new one last year out of IPE. Much stronger than teak. Looks like teak. Lasts like teak and a fraction of the price.
You did a great job on that platform. I like the depth from the transom. I never would have thought about Ipe, but it looks fantastic!
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I tossed our old one and built a new one last year out of IPE. Much stronger than teak. Looks like teak. Lasts like teak and a fraction of the price.
On my list! What is IPE? (I will Google it, but where is it best found?)

My swim platform is too short and too cracked/chipped. I need to re-do into a nice large bed for a lazy Labrador and dingy.
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What's IPE...?
Very strong wood, from Brazil I believe. It has become very polular over the past years for building docks. Very hard to work with in that it dulls saw blades and drills quickly, and it's a pia to sand. Forget nailing thru it unless you drill it. Our marina builds docks and I've used some scraps in the past to build mounting blocks, etc. Nice stuff.
I remember our marina guys talking about the first time they built with it...they lost their shirts on that job as they didn't know how different it is to work with.
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Color me obsessive, but that was easy. Found IPE.

4x harder than teak, more dense. Interesting...



Ipe Wood Outdoor Furniture - Ironwood Garden Benches, Loungers, Tables and Chairs

http://www.capitolcitylumber.com/lum...-boardshttp://

Thanks for the tip, Daddyo.
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I tossed our old one and built a new one last year out of IPE. Much stronger than teak. Looks like teak. Lasts like teak and a fraction of the price.
OK, I count 32 strip layers. Do you buy it in those strips? Do you drill alternating screw placement locations to avoid splitting? Man, I can see a morning on YouTube coming...
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