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Old 10-15-2017, 10:55 AM   #1
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Roof support rebuild

I'm not sure if this is what they are called but I'm thinking about building some new ones . These are really plain and not real strong .They both have slight bow in them . I'm also wanting to add a radius to each corner to make them better looking .
If anyone wants to share pictures of their own to give me some ideas , I would appreciate it .
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Old 10-15-2017, 01:08 PM   #2
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If they are fiberglass, it might be possible just to modify them to be stronger, and even take on a different profile.
I see screw heads on the inside, take off that panel and have a look, and post pics.
Ceiling fans in an open cockpit?? I like the idea, but those would not survive a day in my part of the ocean!
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Old 10-15-2017, 01:44 PM   #3
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Here's a pic from my boat. Looks a little thinner than yours. I'm at Pickwick and would be glad to meet you there if you wanted to have a close up look.
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If they are fiberglass, it might be possible just to modify them to be stronger, and even take on a different profile.
I see screw heads on the inside, take off that panel and have a look, and post pics.
Ceiling fans in an open cockpit?? I like the idea, but those would not survive a day in my part of the ocean!
They are fiberglass skin with foam core I've thought about beefing them up some and adding a radius to the corners, but I'm not so hot at fiberglass work . I'm thinking it would be easier for me to build new ones from laminated plywood , epoxy coat,prime and paint.
Getting the shape right is going to be my biggest challenge.
As far as ceiling fan goes , we do some pretty lightweight boating here on the Tennessee River.
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Here's a pic from my boat. Looks a little thinner than yours. I'm at Pickwick and would be glad to meet you there if you wanted to have a close up look.
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Marty,
Couldn't you change to aluminum tubes? Perhaps gold anodized? Would look better and not be as noticeable. Pipe and flanges is the easiest, cheapest and least restrictive of visability but many won't like the look. You could, however paint them any color in the world. Speaking of looks your idea of wood is probably a good one. Because you're so good w wood it will/would turn out best. You could varnish it and it would look like it belonged and not be very noticeable either. I'd vote for that.
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I call ours 'wings'.

Pack, ours are effectively about 1 1/8" thick. They have 'raised panels' inside and out. I presume they're wood cored 'glass. I have no idea how they're held in but they do accept water from within or perhaps simply around the edge of the flybridge. They have been freeze-damaged and cracked. A PO drilled weep holes at the bottom, and they do weep. Unlike yours and Harry's, ours have Teak trim top and bottom, but nothing about the way the Teak looks, including the bungs, tells me how they're mounted. Both your's and Harry's look as though they're through-bolted to the edge structure of the flybridge. Your's look as though they'll come off readily at the bottom, too.

As for restyling, I don't like the shape of ours either. None of the angles relate to anything. I'm quite sure sloth will put my restyling to a far back, remote burner. As built, the 'raised panels' on the wings and the sheer stripe were gelcoated blue. We prefer our all white look.

Pack, I suggest you acquire some cheepie underlayment and make full scale models of what you think will please you. Easy to do, and you could make alternatives. Paint 'em white (or varnish 'em if you're tempted to make wood replacements; I'd surely be!) so that the color won't distract you. Leave 'em up and see how they wear on you.

There are many examples of wings from which to draw inspiration. There are some really ugly ones (like ours).
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Fashion plates are what Krogen calls ours and are not structural suports for the upper deck. A PO added the grab rails. They work great for boarding plus itís like having an extra cleat to tie off another bumper. You could add for some bling?

Marty: Are you running out of projects? Come on over.
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Old 10-15-2017, 05:40 PM   #9
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My starboard side has rungs for climbing up on top. Mine need a little something done to the shape but not to much . I'm never good at design . I can make it ok but not much on design .They do play a significant role in the look .
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Old 10-15-2017, 06:40 PM   #10
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We have always like the shape of Rochepoints supports........
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I believe the proper name is "pilasters", at least that's what they are called on my sundeck trawler.
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I've heard them called both fashion plates and decorator bars...

pilaster (n.)

a square column, 1570s, from Middle French pilastre (1540s), from Italian pilastro, from Medieval Latin pilastrum (mid-14c.), from pila, "buttress, pile" (from Latin pila,

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Old 10-15-2017, 07:30 PM   #13
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you might consider adding some conduit for wiring from the lazarette to the upper deck to make future projects easier. Perhaps a set of flush mount speakers if you listen to much music, or a mount for a ram mike for your VHF?

Or

What boat wouldn't benefit from one of these ???
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Old 10-15-2017, 07:39 PM   #14
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I'm pretty sure that our roof over the aft deck was an addition to the original work boat build. We don't have any cabin aft of the wheelhouse to support the roof, these and a beam are the only the support the roof has. I've even thought about adding two more but I think that would get too busy .
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For those wondering if the 'wings', fashion plates, decorator bars, whatever are structural or not; have a look at your flybridge edge. If the edge appears to be drooping over the wing, it's probably doing something good. Two of the above posts' pics look like they're drooping. Mine do not appear to be drooping but that might be that the flybridge is stiff enough and the wings are doing their job.

I would say that any projection over, say, 18" needs some sort of support. There's a biggish (45-50'?) yacht in our marina whose horizontal flybridge lines are pretty obviously distorted over its wings. Remember, fiberglass creeps under load, and few things are as relentless as gravity.

I think FF's quoted definition for pilaster is a little off. Pilasters are column-styled things, sometimes, but seldom, structural. They're 'engaged' columns, usually pasted on for architectural effect. See, but note that modern usage includes short length thickened pieces of wall done for structural reasons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilaster
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Jack Daniels and Coke? I bet that will take the barnacles off your prop. Holy crap!
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They are called fashion plates, and are structual in larger yachts, some smaller yachts they are somewhat decorative.
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Got back on these this weekend. They still need a lot of work before install.
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Marty: What are you making them out of? I may be replacing ours. I like the look!
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Marty: What are you making them out of? I may be replacing ours. I like the look!
Iím just building the radius pieces for the bottom. Iím using 1/2 ď thick nine ply Baltic birch. Itís very stiff. I had some pieces left over from another project, 3 layers total in the radius area. Iíll epoxy coat them when done then prime and paint the whole uprite. I need to do the upper pieces but thatís other time.
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