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Old 09-26-2013, 04:09 PM   #1
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I have a 35' CHB Trawler and it needs to be repainted. It looks good at a distance but a lot of little things add up to a complete paint job. I'm looking for advice and tips on a paint job. First costs. I have 2 quotes and the lowest is $16,700. Sounds high to me, comments? Any recommendations or tips on what to watch for, what type of paints work best, etc. Thanks.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:08 PM   #2
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I assume you are talking about painting the topsides?

Check out some info in the archives on the subject.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:18 PM   #3
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I've heard $100 per foot for a decent paint job...

Mine was about $3 a foot with roll and tip on the cabin...maybe aother $3/foot for the hull topsides.
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Old 09-26-2013, 08:24 PM   #4
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A few years back a couple were rolling and tipping a 34 Defevre in the storage building. I got to know them as they kept glaring at me when I swept up around my boat. The final product was difficult to distinguish from a spray job. Of course, prep was the key. But they did that job for a few thousand dollars and about a week of effort. Trying to locate their card as I wrote down the name of the paint. Just a thought...
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On this coast, there are a couple of guys who have perfected the tip and roll technique. OK, maybe it is not as good as a 16K spray job, but I find it very difficult to see the difference, and my boat is simply not that perfect. Neither am I.
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Old 09-26-2013, 09:35 PM   #6
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Roll/tip also saves the work of masking of areas of your boat not being painted. And protecting nearby boats.
I understand there is a need to fill and sand gelcoat because microscopic holes otherwise mar the finish. That adds to painting cost first time.
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It looks good at a distance but a lot of little things add up to a complete paint job.
The above sentence can describe my boat too Ron. I have 47 year old gelcoat that has spent it's life under a covered berth in fresh water, it's in decent overall shape but up close you can see the flaws.

I've talked with several folks at my marina about it and the bottom line is at what range do you want it to look good at? Now if I had to stand 40+ feet away for it to look good I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat. Currently though from 10 feet away my boat looks fine and ultimately that is good enough for me.

I'm willing to bet that a fresh coat of topside paint is something half the boats on the forum would look better with. We all have to decide at some point if it's worth the cost.
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Old 09-27-2013, 06:03 AM   #8
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However you paint it be sure to use only a paint that can be touched up,

if you are going to go cruising.

Tip & Roll Intl Toplac , as easy as it gets with a good varnish brush to tip.
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We had Hobo painted this last winter. The job was bigger than we could do so we contacted it out.

When we started looking at contactors, we looked at referrals/local reputations/how long in business, etc. first, then price and then what paint they were using. All the contactors were using name brand 2 part polyurethane. We removed and reinstalled all the hardware including the window frames to lower cost. In the end, we got a great paint job, at good price with a terrible schedule, but I guess 2 out of 3 isn't bad.
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I've heard $100 per foot for a decent paint job...

Mine was about $3 a foot with roll and tip on the cabin...maybe aother $3/foot for the hull topsides.
What is roll and tip? It's a new term to me.
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Apply the product with a roller and feather it out on the surface (tip) with a very fine bristle brush...some recommend badger hair. Google Sterling paint for some excellent how to "tips" (there are other paint brands with similar do-it-yourself guidelines.
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I just smooth with a cheap foam brush..once you get the hang of it it works the same...have to keep it pretty dry though...all it's doing is smoothing the roller marks and getting rid of any bubbles.

Maybe if I was better... a better brush may be the ticket...but I don't really see a diff.
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Apply the product with a roller and feather it out on the surface (tip) with a very fine bristle brush...some recommend badger hair. Google Sterling paint for some excellent how to "tips" (there are other paint brands with similar do-it-yourself guidelines.
Usually a 2 person job, one rolling, one tipping. The rolled paint can be brushed before it starts to dry, no swapping roller for brush and v.v., someone to talk to while watching paint dry....
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I do it all the time myself...again it may not be $100/foot paint job...the trick is keep the paint thin and a wet edge so you have to plan where the natural break is around windows, etc where it may be harder to keep a wet edge.

yesterday with the temps and wind...I was rolling about a 2 sq ft area before tipping with Brightside paint.
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If the DIY route interests you Ron http://boatbuildercentral.com/index.php#.UkZCIpm9K0c is a good resource for information. They have a series of YouTube videos describing the process in detail.

Application looks straightforward enough but time constraints would leave me out of the loop. Prep is time consuming too and should not be overlooked. It's a great way to go for those with the time available.
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I roll and tip using the white 6" round end foam rollers, I use a second dry roller to "tip" big areas and keep a foam 3" brush handy to tip in tight areas. It does work better to do it as a two person team... but I did do Volunteer (48') by my self a few times... and it always came out ok. Using brightside you need to slow it down with brushing thinner for smooth results.
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I have a 35' CHB Trawler and it needs to be repainted. It looks good at a distance but a lot of little things add up to a complete paint job. I'm looking for advice and tips on a paint job. First costs. I have 2 quotes and the lowest is $16,700. Sounds high to me, comments? Any recommendations or tips on what to watch for, what type of paints work best, etc. Thanks.
Ron, all the advice below is good. However, mindful of time, and my limited skills, I compromised in the end, as I wanted to maintain max looks and resale value, so I had a professional 2 pack job done on the hull only, up to gun'ls, for $8000, (they quoted about $15,000 for full job, topsides & hull). I then prep'd and painted the topsides myself, by which I mean gun'ls, decks and superstructure, by brush, with Toplac, and it all looks terrific.
Not sure about in the US, but downunder, the International (Interlux to you) Toplac is better than Brightside by far, in fact has replaced it.
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Ended up doing paint myself this summer and hired help on paint day. Six weeks of prep, one week of paint and one week of reassembly. One part Interlux topside for the house, two part epoxy Devoe (Ameron) for the deck and hull. Standard copolymer ablative bottom paint.

Quotes of $15K are in the range I would expect.

If I could afford it, I would have had someone else do it, but the way it worked out, probably only cost a third of a contracted job or less. I did a bunch of welding too, so I haven't separated those costs. Just the paint itself cost around $2000 for top to bottom. Needed special roller covers that would not melt and had perfect weather which really helps.

As said before, its the prep. Then pick a few days and paint it with help. I had absolutely awesome results that looked sprayed on.
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Ron, all the advice below is good. However, mindful of time, and my limited skills, I compromised in the end, as I wanted to maintain max looks and resale value, so I had a professional 2 pack job done on the hull only, up to gun'ls, for $8000, (they quoted about $15,000 for full job, topsides & hull). I then prep'd and painted the topsides myself, by which I mean gun'ls, decks and superstructure, by brush, with Toplac, and it all looks terrific.
Not sure about in the US, but downunder, the International (Interlux to you) Toplac is better than Brightside by far, in fact has replaced it.
Toplac is still listed by some retailers...but not on the Interlux US site anymore that I can see....sounds like they reformulated Brightside with something even better than the silicone base (now it's a flouro based miracle I suppose) and dumped Toplac.
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Hi folks, It's haul out time and lots to be done. I'm thinking of painting from the waterline up to the decks with epoxy paint. At present there is Interlux brightsides on the wood hull. As far as I can tell, the consensus is I'll have to strip off the old paint, then prime and re-paint. Any comments or feedback for me?
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