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Old 06-06-2016, 01:56 PM   #1
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New Head Base

I will be replacing the Raritan PH II head with their Marine Elegance. This will be at least the fourth head on the boat and on that original Formica- or Melamine-covered plywood. There already is one unused, blocked blackwater drain hose (why?). And both hoses run above the base, through the apron of the bathtub. Additionally, there is a 1/2" thick solid Teak angled piece covering the tapering shape of the hull.

Possible materials to replace the base and angled Teak include: new Formica-covered plywood, painted fiberglass (from McMaster-Carr, which could be epoxied together, coved and painted for cleaning - the 'glass is green and not all that smooth), or Starboard - HDPE (also from McM-C - it's white, shiny and smooth but cannot be glued). I repaired and painted (Brightside Polyurethane) the fiberglass base in the sailboat and it has looked fine for the last eight years (I coated the fiberglass with epoxy to seal my repairs so it's not as smooth under the paint as I would have wished. That's a PH II with the pump installed backwards for comfort - the parts are symmetrical.).

The Marine Elegance is plumbed from underneath with pressure potable water, pressure raw water, and smaller-dia-than-usual black water drain.

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Old 07-15-2016, 12:57 PM   #2
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New base progress.

This new head base replaces a rotted one and covers the several previous toilet's connection/hose holes on the side of the tub. That brown stuff is 'filleting blend' epoxy and the corners will be neat and coved for easier cleaning. The red stuff is electrical grade polyester-fiberglass sheet from McMaster-Carr - why? because McM-C does not sell efficiently-sized sheets in the regular resin.

Previous pics in my first post.
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Nice job. I think you'll like the Marine Elegance. I've sold a bunch of them and no complaints yet. I think your choice of the Sea Fresh option is a good one. Save water with raw water flush and once in a while flush it with fresh to reduce odors.
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Old 07-16-2016, 07:41 AM   #4
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I use salt water to flush and it used to stink badly when flushed, if it sat for a day unused.
I put a small fine strainer screwed onto the through hull. Dramatically-definitively reduced the stink. I had read it is tiny organisms alive in the water will die and stink up the head. The fine mesh filter keeps them out so they do not die and rot inside the head.

What I got on Ebay was a 1/2 pipe thread black plastic bodied filter housing with a fine SS mesh and a clear plastic screen cover. Meant for an electric water pump used as a strainer-filter. It is very convenient to screw onto the bronze elbow on top of a Groco thruhull and then screw on the bronze nipple for the hose to the head.

I have had it for on the boat for more than 5 years and it is still in perfect condition.
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Just remember some day a heavy person will be sitting on the throne and you will fall off a wave,.,,,,

2G ? 3G? the base mount needs to be robust and secured well.!!!
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FF, 2'-3" wide, 1'-4" front to back, continuously supported on sides and front, the john will be in the middle and its seat is roughly centered over the front edge of the base. The 'glass is 3/8" thick and will be reinforced at the bolt positions of the john. I will add a little something - 'glass blocks - between the reinforcements and the hull.

McMaster-Carr This table shows the stuff; interesting the wide range given for the properties!

The original base was 1/2" melamine-faced plywood with two screws holding it down.
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Nice job. I think you'll like the Marine Elegance. I've sold a bunch of them and no complaints yet. I think your choice of the Sea Fresh option is a good one. Save water with raw water flush and once in a while flush it with fresh to reduce odors.
We installed a Marine Elegance this spring with the smart flush control. Quiet powerful vacuum flush with your choice of water usage or empty only. Great made in USA product
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I finally got the new elegant toilet installed and working. I was able to re-jigger the three hose connections on the Raritan Marine Elegance to feed from the back rather from the bottom. It required re-making the PVC fitting that contains the joker and which had barbs to fit both 1 1/4" and 1" hose. I cut the 1" barb section off, filed the barbs off the 1 1/4" section, drilled the threads out of a 1" x 1" combination FIP x insert PVC fitting and glued the two modified fittings together. I disassembled the fresh water feed and installed a 3/4" PVC street ell between the cut-off valve and the check valve. I ran all new hoses and wiring, and eliminated 32 years of old spliced stuff. Far more flexible than I, my son installed the new strainer and sea water pump in the ER.

Installing this thing was a bear, fraught with unbelievable frustration, water leaks and physical pain. I installed part of the wiring so that I could have the satisfaction of seeing it work; I have yet to finish the sea water pump and relay wiring.

I think the Marine Elegance, as I installed it on its new base, is pretty neat and good looking; wiring and hoses are concealed, surfaces neat and cleanable.

I have not received decent support from Raritan. I need to wire the TankWatch (the old model, which is a simple dumb you're-full switch and indicator light) to the SmartFlush electronic module. I understand that the module accepts ordinary dumb switches and will not accept the new level indicator systems. My SmartFlush is the new version and Raritan gave me the instructions for converting a TankWatch IV to operate an original version. Aaaargh! The two versions have different labels on the connections and neither tell you which to use! And there is no information to be found on the 'net! I am loathe to try and error for fear of frying the fancy control module.

Pic 1: modified joker fitting
Pic 2: Whew! The head door clears the bowl by 1/4"
Pic 3: Pressure water supply
Pic 5: All hoses connected and watertight
Pic 6: In and working

That toilet base is described in earlier posts. I mentioned that there was a mystery blanked-off hose leading behind the sit-tub. Turns out, it was the overboard discharge for an earlier head. There must have been a vented loop in the head; the screw holes remain from its mounting. That old hose leads to a ball valve on a through-hull, and that ball valve is open and won't close. I'll wait 'till the boat's hauled before using adequate force to close it-cap it/remove it-patch the hull.
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Congrats. For me, pain and frustration are SOP whenever I undertake a project on a boat. Sounds like you have got this one whipped.
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I need to wire the TankWatch (the old model, which is a simple dumb you're-full switch and indicator light) to the SmartFlush electronic module.

If you replace it with a tank level monitor that lets you know how much is in the tank, you wouldn't need to wire it to the flush panel. The SCAD Scad Tank Monitors (which is a private label version of the Profile Profile Tank Monitors ) system) was top rated by Practical Sailor a couple of years ago. It's easy to install and because the sender is attached to the outside of the tank, it never comes in contact with the contents, so never gets clogged.
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(the old model, which is a simple dumb you're-full switch and indicator light) to the SmartFlush electronic module.

If you replace it with a tank level monitor that lets you know how much is in the tank, you wouldn't need to wire it to the flush panel. The SCAD Scad Tank Monitors (which is a private label version of the Profile Profile Tank Monitors ) system) was top rated by Practical Sailor a couple of years ago. It's easy to install and because the sender is attached to the outside of the tank, it never comes in contact with the contents, so never gets clogged.

Mistress, the SmartFlush control module is designed to accept a 'tank full' signal and deny you the ability to flush. An arguably not bad idea. I've so far resisted the opportunity to spend the remarkable number of boat dollars that monitors cost.
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Will you have notification that the tank is at various levels or only full?


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The SmartFlush control module is designed to accept a 'tank full' signal and deny you the ability to flush.

What you really want to happen to someone who'd just deposited a bowlful of solids...and sooner or later it will.

I've so far resisted the opportunity to spend the remarkable number of boat dollars that monitors cost.

The SCAD solo is only $167 @ Defender and I'll bet HopCar can beat that price.
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I am going to get a Raritan Marine Elegance for our aft head. I will also need a rear discharge instead of thru the deck. I thought that I saw somewhere that Raritan had an option that would allow the rear discharge thru a bulkhead.
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Talk to Raritan,but NOT tech support in NJ...Mac McCoy in their Ft Lauderdale plant. He's been with Raritan 25 years and has become my go-to person since Vic Willman retired: 954-525-0378
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Thanks, Peggy, you do know everything about heads...
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Nahhh...I just know who to ask.
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Hey Peggie, Mac's my go to guy! Ok I'll share him with you.
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I'll have to say that Mac McCoy was the person with whom I corresponded and he did not come through adequately. I dealt with another fellow about 11 years ago who was quite helpful.

Comodave, I made my own rear discharge fitting because Raritan does not offer one. See my pic above. An ordinary 1" x 1" FIP x insert PVC fitting from Lowes on the left. The cut-off 1" barbed bottom from the Raritan fitting in the middle. The combined Raritan fitting and another 1" x 1" FIP x insert fitting on the right.

HeadMistress, you and my Admirable Admiral may cost us a fancy tank indicator. Since I own a TankWatch 1, presuming it still works, I may opt to wire it to the SmartFlush and buy a a fancy tank indicator rigged to watch the plastic holding tank. Even better would be to add the two stainless steel water tanks, and the steel fuel tanks since their senders seem to have died. Would be nice to have near the helm position and the power panel. These multi-read devices are quite expensive and would require grovelling installation work. The metal tanks apparently require in-tank sensors...ahh, well.
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I'm pleased to report that Mac McCoy replied today to my question of six days ago about wiring the TankWatch to the STC.

All is forgiven, Mac!
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