Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 01-06-2013, 11:05 PM   #1
Member
 
deancrenshaw55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 19
Leaks!! >:(

How do I fix leaks around the window without taking the windows out, would caulk work, and if so what kind of caulk???
__________________
Advertisement

deancrenshaw55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 12:55 AM   #2
Guru
 
Phil Fill's Avatar
 
City: Everett Wa
Country: US
Vessel Name: Eagle
Vessel Model: Roughwater 58 pilot house
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,919
3M 5200. however the leak may not be from around the window, but the frame and or the drain holes are plugged or need to be changed so water can not pool in the tracks. Finding and fixing leaks takes investigating, and trail/error.
__________________

Phil Fill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 04:52 AM   #3
Guru
 
Hendo78's Avatar
 
City: Perth
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: M/V SOLSTICE
Vessel Model: Hendo "Special"
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 2,275
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55 View Post
How do I fix leaks around the window without taking the windows out, would caulk work, and if so what kind of caulk???
Mate read this

http://marinesurvey.com/yacht/WindowRepair.htm

Cheers
Hendo

iPad Forum Runner
__________________
***I use and recommend ANCHOR RIGHT Anchors***
Hendo78 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:10 AM   #4
TF Site Team
 
Larry M's Avatar
 
City: JAX, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Hobo
Vessel Model: Krogen 42-120
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 5,745
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55 View Post
How do I fix leaks around the window without taking the windows out, would caulk work, and if so what kind of caulk???
I would not use 5200 as a caulk for a window. 3M says, "For bonding and sealing applications above and below the water line when removal at a later date is not anticipated." 5200 is about as permanent as you can get on a boat. If the window is not going to be removed, chances are, any repair will be temporary.

Here's a link to on leaking windows.

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...eaks-8111.html
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	005 (3).jpg
Views:	78
Size:	123.4 KB
ID:	15460  
Larry M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 12:29 PM   #5
Member
 
deancrenshaw55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 19
I have already used 5200 and I have had no success
deancrenshaw55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 01:01 PM   #6
Guru
 
Phil Fill's Avatar
 
City: Everett Wa
Country: US
Vessel Name: Eagle
Vessel Model: Roughwater 58 pilot house
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55 View Post
I have already used 5200 and I have had no success


If you could give more detail and or picture we can help you better. If its as bad as the picture below then more the 5200 will be required.

5200 as permanent by any means. With a little elbow grease, flexible sharp putty knife and/or a wire wheel, 5200 can be removed. Every year I strip large areas/sections. Epoxy is what I consider permanent.
Phil Fill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 05:25 PM   #7
Guru
 
skipperdude's Avatar
 
City: Whittier AK
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Apache II
Vessel Model: 1974 Donald Jones
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,147
If you want to do it right do it right. Take out the window and redo them or caulk the sh** out of them with any caulk you like for a quick temporary fix. At least it will tell you if the windows them selfs are leaking. Or it is coming in from else where and just showing up at the windows.

SD
__________________
If you can't repair it maybe it shouldn't be on the boat
skipperdude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:14 PM   #8
Guru
 
alormaria's Avatar
 
City: Trenton
Country: USA
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 904
There is no way around it. And it's not that bad. Take the frame and window apart. Rebuild the frame, replace the tracks, replace the rotted wood, caulk it carefully and put it all back together.

You're good for another 10 years.

They go by fast.

Repeat.
__________________
Al Johnson
34' Marine Trader
"Angelina"
alormaria is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:39 PM   #9
Guru
 
psneeld's Avatar
 
City: Avalon, NJ
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Freedom
Vessel Model: Albin 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 15,920
Depends on what any PO might have done to the windows...If there was any kind of adhesive caulk used...and depending on how the window was rebedded...good luck on a simple remval..out of 16 windows I replaced...I'd say it would have taken a majician to break less than 10 of the glass windows and 16 of the frames...
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:47 PM   #10
Member
 
deancrenshaw55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 19
I am about to sell the boat and I'd rather do just a quick fix.
deancrenshaw55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:47 PM   #11
Guru
 
caltexflanc's Avatar
 
City: North Carolina for now
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Small Incentive
Vessel Model: Boston Whaler 130 Sport
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 3,802
5200 is about the worst choice possible, as the OP has discovered. No UV resistance for one thing. It does sound like the frames are leaking, but at the very least the glass needs rebedding, using a poly sulfide glazing compound or butyl rubber. Whichever the root cause is, unless it is done the right way you accomplish nothing. Merely swabbing some sort of caulk around the window is a losing effort. Any kind of knowledgable buyer or their surveyor will see through the shoddy fix in an instant.
caltexflanc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 06:51 PM   #12
Member
 
deancrenshaw55's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 19
I am also thinking about using polybutylene, do any of you know if that would work?
deancrenshaw55 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 08:29 PM   #13
Guru
 
City: Hotel, CA
Country: Fried
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,328
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55
I am about to sell the boat and I'd rather do just a quick fix.
You would be better off and money ahead not to fix the leak at all and disclose it to the prospective buyer. When I looked at a boat with half assed repair work I left without explaining why. Harsh yes, but in my experience it was a waste of time and breath to explain that half ass repairs where worse than no repair at all.

Can't believe how many people waste time and money with 5200. There's no magic goo in a tube that will do the job right.

JMO YMMV
__________________
Craig

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
CPseudonym is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 09:18 PM   #14
Guru
 
Tom.B's Avatar
 
City: Cary, NC
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
Vessel Model: Navigator 4200 Classic
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym View Post
You would be better off and money ahead not to fix the leak at all and disclose it to the prospective buyer.
This is my vote too. Just leave it, tell the next owner about it, and let them fix it the way THEY want it done.
__________________
2000 Navigator 4200 Classic
(NOT a trawler)
Tom.B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 09:41 PM   #15
Guru
 
Phil Fill's Avatar
 
City: Everett Wa
Country: US
Vessel Name: Eagle
Vessel Model: Roughwater 58 pilot house
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,919
Quote:
Originally Posted by GonzoF1 View Post
This is my vote too. Just leave it, tell the next owner about it, and let them fix it the way THEY want it done.


If not repairing even 1/2 ass means there can/will be further damage then its better than doing nothing. There is a good chance the actual leak may not be from, around the window. The window is where its coming out.

So if does the leak change with the chance in the trim, pitch of the boat. Had one leak that changed with the pitch of the boat. If you can explain or give some detail it would help.
Phil Fill is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 11:24 PM   #16
Grand Vizier
 
Delfin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,497
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55 View Post
I have already used 5200 and I have had no success
Boatlife polysulfide will kick off in the presence of moisture, so if that is present, it can work. Sikaflex 295 UV is designed for the purpose. 5200 would be a bad choice, but it sounds like you have already failed with that one.
__________________
Delfin
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis." - Jack Handy
Delfin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2013, 11:27 PM   #17
Grand Vizier
 
Delfin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,497
Quote:
Originally Posted by deancrenshaw55 View Post
I am also thinking about using polybutylene, do any of you know if that would work?
Don't think so. It might react with the Lexan, if that is what you have. Use the product designed for this job, which would be Sikaflex 295 UV, or a polysulfide. If moisture is present, use polysulfide. Taping is the biggest hassle, but also the key to a nice looking job.
__________________
Delfin
"Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis." - Jack Handy
Delfin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 02:53 AM   #18
Guru
 
Keith's Avatar
 
Vessel Name: Anastasia III
Vessel Model: Krogen 42
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,716
You can try flowable silicone caulk. It's the consistency of cold honey and flows down into cracks etc., then cures up. It's clear and can be found at any auto parts place.
Keith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 04:25 AM   #19
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 9,996
Greetings,
If he uses silicone it will be a nightmare for the next owner. For a "quick/cheap and dirty" half vast repair, pretty well ANY caulk will do even that $3 a tube household stuff at Lowes. It won't last long and will probably look like crap and as mentioned anybody would see it for what it was but Mr. 55 has already attempted a repair which failed. Too late to just leave it. At least the cheap caulk should be easy to remove for the new owner AND it should temporarily stop the leak IF he can find the source. By all means disclose to prospective buyers.
I have had occasion to use El Cheapo caulk a few times. It served it's purpose until a proper repair was done.
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-08-2013, 06:13 AM   #20
FF
Guru
 
FF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,531
s,
If he uses silicone it will be a nightmare for the next owner.

?????


Silicone is cheap , sticks to glass plexiglass or lexan , and the clear stuff scrapes off with the side of a chisel.

Great for a patch job , that will get a real repair "later".
__________________

FF is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:37 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012