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Old 01-14-2015, 04:32 PM   #21
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Please tell me of someone who has had that problem.
I am a USPS Vessel Safety Examiner and converse with a fair number of boaters during courtesy inspections. While I have never been boarded by USCG I have been with others that have and talked to one that was checked on the Great Lakes (Lake Ontario). The owner mentioned a conversation w/ the USCG examiner re: hull documentation numbering - his vessel was numbered w/ a plaque that was screwed & epoxied - the examiner inquired about the plaque being screwed on but was satisfied when told it was used as a temp attachment while the epoxy cured.

The USCG requirement is " The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area." Screws alone would not satisfy the above.

Most law enforcement officers I have had discussions with admit they seldom write citations for technicalities - they focus on true safety deficiencies.
My guess is an inspection would yield a warning and could be rectified by adding epoxy... I used the plaque approach and figured it was easy to add the epoxy and avoid any potential controversy and offered the point for clarification only.
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Old 01-14-2015, 04:44 PM   #22
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I am a USPS Vessel Safety Examiner and converse with a fair number of boaters during courtesy inspections. While I have never been boarded by USCG I have been with others that have and talked to one that was checked on the Great Lakes (Lake Ontario). The owner mentioned a conversation w/ the USCG examiner re: hull documentation numbering - his vessel was numbered w/ a plaque that was screwed & epoxied - the examiner inquired about the plaque being screwed on but was satisfied when told it was used as a temp attachment while the epoxy cured.

The USCG requirement is " The number must be permanently affixed so that alteration, removal, or replacement would be obvious and cause some scarring or damage to the surrounding hull area." Screws alone would not satisfy the above.

Most law enforcement officers I have had discussions with admit they seldom write citations for technicalities - they focus on true safety deficiencies.
My guess is an inspection would yield a warning and could be rectified by adding epoxy... I used the plaque approach and figured it was easy to add the epoxy and avoid any potential controversy and offered the point for clarification only.
USCG examiner or a USCGAux examiner?

Hate to be technical....but light years in possible difference.

Even most USCG active duty boarding officers would hardly be able to discuss the difference.

While I would suggest the average boat owner attach their doc numbers better than minimal....the reality is big deal if the agency responsible can't clearly spell out what they want for different hull types.
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I'm not real concerned with compliance because, as several have commented, pretty much any of these approaches would meet the requirements. I more want to do a neat job that is going to hold up, not make a giant mess, and most important, not be something that fails and has to be re-done.

Someone mentioned the engraved plaques. That's what I had on my last boat, and I attached it to the hull with 5200. I'm just going to do the same thing again, mostly because even I can't screw it up. When it comes to epoxy, fiberglass mat, and projects like that, I'm the guy who ends up with epoxy and mat all over me and everything else in the boat, and a registration number that is crooked and falling off.
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... When it comes to epoxy, fiberglass mat, and projects like that, I'm the guy who ends up with epoxy and mat all over me and everything else in the boat, and a registration number that is crooked and falling off.
Twisted, that describes me perfectly except I'd also get the plaque crooked.
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Twisted, that describes me perfectly except I'd also get the plaque crooked.
Me too, but I'm going to try really, really hard this time. I promise.
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Old 01-14-2015, 08:09 PM   #26
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It seems relatively easy to satisfy the Coast Guard, but my primary objective was marking it in such a way that any alteration would be obvious. The best I could come up with was engraving my stringers (very neatly, using 4" block letters as a stencil), then painting in the engraved area with contrasting epoxy paint. Someone could still do a pretty good cover up job, but they will never get it to be like new.
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Old 01-15-2015, 07:09 AM   #27
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The Coasties used to state the number would be carved into the "Main Beam" but with plastic boats thats not practical.

Newer boats have a builders ID number somewhere on the rear.

I would paint an epoxy the doc. number in more than one place , perhaps one that is hard to find.

If the boat is sold and needs to be reclaimed the purchaser would have to find them all!
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Old 02-01-2015, 10:39 AM   #28
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Just a quick update on this....

I decided to order a number board from DocumentationBoards.com. It's been over 2 weeks since I ordered and no board, so I contacted them the other day. I finally got a response saying they would start it over the weekend. So over two weeks and they haven't even started? I think they forgot my order. So far, I would not recommend them.
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Old 02-01-2015, 11:21 AM   #29
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Carved mine into a non-removable beam in the lazarette with a router. Quick, non-removable/changeable, never a question. Original was glassed over tape in the forepeak and came off in 10 min.
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Old 02-01-2015, 09:12 PM   #30
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USCGAUX VSE 1243292 I will accept screwed on + glue plaque. Stick on or even magic marker of proper configuration and size if covered with FG tape and clear finish on a part of boat that is not easily removable. If just covered with a clear finish I would inquire as to type ok by me if not easily removed with solvent. Unlikely that a CG boarding party will ask or look for your DOC # They are focused on a few items and the three times I have been boarded never checked that and several other things the AUX safety check program would include as required by the CG forms.. I get the impression the CG boarding parties don't have their harts in it and do it because they have to fill a quota to satisfy command. My take is the modern CG has its priorities elsewhere.
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Probably that the doc number thing is a joke and there is a HIN that they do take seriously that ID'S the boat anyhow.
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With modern epoxy and wood fillers and paint a semi skilled person can make a routed set of #s disappear same goes for HIN and that is why newer boats have a hidden HIN and many owners are not aware of that or were # is.
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My hull is a one off. Hand laid hull. No HIN#. Just the doc#. Made with a drill on a bulkhead in the engine room. Whoever put it in just drilled holes in the configuration of the numbers.
To me it is just a part of the charm of my boat. I'm leaving it like it is.


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I'm not real concerned with compliance because, as several have commented, pretty much any of these approaches would meet the requirements. I more want to do a neat job that is going to hold up, not make a giant mess, and most important, not be something that fails and has to be re-done.

Someone mentioned the engraved plaques. That's what I had on my last boat, and I attached it to the hull with 5200. I'm just going to do the same thing again, mostly because even I can't screw it up. When it comes to epoxy, fiberglass mat, and projects like that, I'm the guy who ends up with epoxy and mat all over me and everything else in the boat, and a registration number that is crooked and falling off.
Thanks Peter and Mark,

Yes, that's me too, except the crooked plaque would still fall off, probably in the middle of the Atlantic, hit the fan belt, be propelled into the racors at great velocity, break the plastic bowl and all my fuel would run into the bilge and promptly be pumped overboard, while I slept of course.
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Just a quick update on this....

I decided to order a number board from DocumentationBoards.com. It's been over 2 weeks since I ordered and no board, so I contacted them the other day. I finally got a response saying they would start it over the weekend. So over two weeks and they haven't even started? I think they forgot my order. So far, I would not recommend them.

I had somewhat the same experiance, but I wasn't in a hurry. You would think two weeks would be enough time, but then again boat shows this time of year.
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Boatdocumentationboat.com finally shipped my documentation board nearly 4 weeks after I placed the order. I give them a big thumbs down review Terrible service, no communications, took my money right away and didn't ship for over 3 weeks.
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Twisted, you sound impatient. Regardless, how's the quality of the plaque?
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Twisted, you sound impatient. Regardless, how's the quality of the plaque?
Maybe. I would have expected 2-3 days to make the board, plus shipping. But maybe my expectations are unrealistic.
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Twisted, you sound impatient. Regardless, how's the quality of the plaque?

For a little routed out board? Your kidding me right?
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