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Old 05-22-2015, 11:12 AM   #21
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I've been hauled out the past 2 weeks as well. Splashing in the next half hour.

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I hate the hard! Noisy dusty, dirty!

Power washers to the left of me,
Grinders to the right,
and I'm stuck in the middle....


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Old 05-22-2015, 11:18 AM   #22
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Stuck in the middle again?
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I've been hauled out the past 2 weeks as well. Splashing in the next half hour.

I hate the hard! Noisy dusty, dirty!
But Captain, she's beautiful. There is something about the lines to a KK42 that sits well. I like the Pilgrim 40's too. They remind me of a miniaturized version of the yachts of old that were my playground when a Kidlet.

Old wooden wet bilges, stringers to "tightrope walk" down, and plenty of fun for a kid. Plus sailboats had masts and those were fun to climb, and more fun to jump off of.

Life on the water is good. I'm glad you'll be back where you belong soon. Have fun!
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I think Mbevins nailed it - no percentage.

Next thing you know, they will be banning boats in the marina for fear of someone falling in and drowning - damn lawyers!
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Old 05-24-2015, 12:57 AM   #25
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Possible liability issues concerning electrocution from stray electric current in the marina.
Not likely. Electric Shock Drownings (ESD) are almost unheard of in saltwater. If a marina chooses not to allow in-water hull cleaning, it is frequently due to some concern over divers contributing to copper-loading in that particular body of water. Ignorant, misguided concern, but there you have it.
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There are places like Mass where you can't do in-water hull cleaning at all. The boat has to be hauled. I heard the same is true in lake Union and Washington in Seattle. Don't know about out in the sound and other salt water bodies.
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There are places like Mass where you can't do in-water hull cleaning at all. The boat has to be hauled. I heard the same is true in lake Union and Washington in Seattle. Don't know about out in the sound and other salt water bodies.
No offense, but none that is true, either in Massachusetts or Washington.
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WHAT!!!! An urban myth on the internet???
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No offense, but none that is true, either in Massachusetts or Washington.
Interesting, and no offense taken. What's your source? In Mass, I was told this by a diver who I asked about cleaning my bottom. He said there was a big fine for doing it now. An in lake union (actually Salmon Bay), I just helped a marina-owner friend disassemble a contraption previousely used for hull cleaning because they aren't allowed to do it any more.
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Interesting, and no offense taken. What's your source? In Mass, I was told this by a diver who I asked about cleaning my bottom. He said there was a big fine for doing it now. An in lake union (actually Salmon Bay), I just helped a marina-owner friend disassemble a contraption previousely used for hull cleaning because they aren't allowed to do it any more.
As I mentioned previously, individual marinas (supposedly) can restrict maintenance activities like in-water hull cleaning if they so choose. However, there are no statewide bans on hull cleaning anywhere in this country. In Washington, the state has limited hull cleaning to hard paints only. No ablatives can be cleaned in the water in that state. In Massachussetts, the "Clean Marina Guide" does indicate that as a Best Management Practice, in-water hull cleaning should not occur, but this is strictly a voluntary measure and does not carry the weight of law. There are any number of dive services advertising hull cleaning up and down the Massachussetts coast.

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As I mentioned previously, individual marinas (supposedly) can restrict maintenance activities like in-water hull cleaning if they so choose. However, there are no statewide bans on hull cleaning anywhere in this country. In Washington, the state has limited hull cleaning to hard paints only. No ablatives can be cleaned in the water in that state. In Massachussetts, the "Clean Marina Guide" does indicate that as a Best Management Practice, in-water hull cleaning should not occur, but this is strictly a voluntary measure and does not carry the weight of law. There are any number of dive services advertising hull cleaning up and down the Massachussetts coast.

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fst - What do you see coming regarding Nor Cal regulations?
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fst - What do you see coming regarding Nor Cal regulations?
San Francisco Bay gets special consideration regarding many pollutants and their acceptable levels because of the historic industrial use of that body of water. That said, the state and regional water quality policy makers are moving (albeit very slowly) to reduce copper loading in Callifornia's waterways and at any given time could decide to paint the entire state with one brush. What we hope doesn't happen is a moratorium (or outright ban) on in-water hull cleaning. My interactions with these people would indicate that that is probably not likely to happen however. The current trend seems to be lowering the copper leach rates (and therefore, effectiveness) of anti fouling paints. As a Northern California boat owner what I would expect you to see are reformulated anti fouling paints, not any actual regulations regarding in-water hull cleaning, at least in the near term.
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... The current trend seems to be lowering the copper release rates (and therefore, effectiveness) of anti fouling paints. As a Northern California boat owner what I would expect you to see are reformulated anti fouling paints, not any actual regulations regarding in-water hull cleaning, at least in the near term.
Sounds like more opportunities for divers.
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Sounds like more opportunities for divers.
Any diver who claims he's in favor of less effective anti fouling paints is an idiot. Nobody wants their job made harder. And I can tell you that boat owners (most of whom do not clean frequently enough now) are unlikely to alter their current hull cleaning frequency regardless of what product is on their bottoms.
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How much does it cost to have a diver inspect/clean a boat's bottom assuming only minor biological growths?


My Pt. Richmond boatyard charges $12 a foot for haul-out, power wash, and launch and $93 an hour for any bottom work (such as replacing zincs).
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My Pt. Richmond boatyard charges $12 a foot for haul-out, power wash, and launch and $93 an hour for any bottom work (such as replacing zincs).
For a powerboat, typically expect to pay about $3.00/foot for hull cleaning and $10/each to replace anodes. So for the privilege of looking at your boat bottom, you are paying $9/foot, plus the several hours of back and forth travel (and fuel costs) from Vallejo to Point Richmond.
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Taking the 3-to-4-hour voyage between home berth and boatyard is a good excuse to operate the boat more often. (Most boaters hardly use their boats enough, and operating the boat helps reduce bottom-growth build-up.) My annual trips are necessary for accumulated maintenance and repair needs, and a haul-out is necessary every other year for bottom repainting (Micron Extra). An extra haul-out on alternate years has minimal cost impact. Am thinking of a six-month underwater cleaning in the second year when the bottom paint has lost some effectiveness.
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Taking the 3-to-4-hour voyage between home berth and boatyard is a good excuse to operate the boat more often. (Most boaters hardly use their boats enough, and operating the boat helps reduce bottom-growth build-up.)
If you like hauling every year, more power to you. It's your boat and your dime.
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Here in Carrabelle a couple weeks ago it took a diver two hours to do my bottom. He reported paint was good for at least another year. Waterline was just starting to get (smaller than .25") barnacles -- maybe a foot long stretch near the transom and some grass for the top six inches here and there.

I have four zincs. One was replaced. The shaft zincs were deemed okay and port strut too was "okay" -- he'll bring a hacksaw next year as it couldn't come off. Otherwise okay. Starboard strut zinc replaced.

Two hours. $65 per.
23' boat. So essentially $5 a foot.

I have a lot of metal and heard concentrated scraping on that. She was painted in 2012 and last year just prior to launch (trucked from Steinhatchee) I used my last quart (don't be jealous now!) to do the first foot around the waterline.

When I paint the first two quarts cover the hull and then I do another coat around the waterline as a matter of habit. It seems to help. Or it appears so.
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As I mentioned previously, individual marinas (supposedly) can restrict maintenance activities like in-water hull cleaning if they so choose. However, there are no statewide bans on hull cleaning anywhere in this country. In Washington, the state has limited hull cleaning to hard paints only. No ablatives can be cleaned in the water in that state. In Massachussetts, the "Clean Marina Guide" does indicate that as a Best Management Practice, in-water hull cleaning should not occur, but this is strictly a voluntary measure and does not carry the weight of law. There are any number of dive services advertising hull cleaning up and down the Massachussetts coast.

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That's very interesting, and a good reminder to check the facts before believing some guy on the dock. But I would have expected a diver to know since it's kind of his business to know. I suppose there might be local regs at play too. I'll have to check.....
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