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Old 11-28-2012, 07:52 PM   #41
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They've outlawed copper bottom paint right? So now you and your fellow boaters will be the "guinea pigs".
No, we can still use bottom paint with copper in it up here. That's what we had put on our boat this last spring. Don't know about California, though.
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Old 11-28-2012, 08:13 PM   #42
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No, we can still use bottom paint with copper in it up here.
Not for long-

On May 4, 2011, Washington governor Chris Gregoire sounded the death knell for copper-based bottom paint in her state by signing into law a ban on the use of the product on recreational boats under 65 feet the first state to do so. The law prohibits the sale of new boats with copper paint after January 1, 2018, and no paint with more than a half a percent of copper can be used starting in 2020.
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On May 4, 2011, Washington governor Chris Gregoire sounded the death knell for copper-based bottom paint in her state by signing into law a ban on the use of the product on recreational boats under 65 feet the first state to do so. The law prohibits the sale of new boats with copper paint after January 1, 2018, and no paint with more than a half a percent of copper can be used starting in 2020.
Isn't it clever how politicians have learned to write and pass laws that will take effect years from now once the public has forgotten who passed them?
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I'd be concerned about that except---- due to work and travel requirements over the last few years we went more than four years between haulouts this last time. We'd schedule one and then I'd have to be out of town so we'd schedule again and so on.

By the time we finally hauled out this past spring, our bottom paint (Petit Ultima SR) was shot. If a month or so went by without us taking the boat out it would have a little fringe of weed along the waterline and a slime build-up below the waterline. The dive service we use twice a year kept the barnacles from getting too carried away with themselves but they said the bottom paint had long since lost its effectiveness. And of course they could not wipe the bottom down for us anymore.

So when we finally did haul this last spring we expected to see kind of a mess. But there wasn't. The paint was gone on the rudders and the through-hull screens but other than that, the bottom looked like it always has at a haulout.

The same thing has been observed by friends who haul out fairly infrequently, including one guy in our club who goes six to eight years between haulouts of his 40' sailboat. So based on that, I don't think the reduction of copper content in the paint up here is really going to mean much in reality.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:22 AM   #45
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I suspect what you saw were divers using the CaviBlaster, which delivers a "flame" of water and air bubbles through a very expensive wand that implodes fouling growth off of hulls. Not typically used for cleaning pleasure craft. Designed to clean extremely foul surfaces.
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Thanks fstbttms, Could very well be that process,they do a lot of it so the special gear may be worthwhile. They definitely don`t just hand scrub. I never asked how they did it but it leaves the antifoul in ok shape. Glad to say my hull was not "extremely foul" but it was sure better and faster after they left.
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As you may know, Skinny Dippin' is getting a "bottom reset". Media blasting the 20+ years of old paint off and getting a fairing a barrier coat applied. We have a unique and rare opportunity to change paint types. Since the first layer after the barrier coat is going to be hard bottom paint, we are strongly considering just using a second coat of hard paint and calling it done.
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Tom, and others. What about this permanent bottom paint. It sounds like the hard coat to beat all hard coats, but in view of its name, and therefore likely ingredient, would it (is it) legal in the US. I've often been tempted..... multiseason antifouling 10 years protection hard wearing copper filled epoxy resin copper antifoul
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Tom, and others. What about this permanent bottom paint. It sounds like the hard coat to beat all hard coats, but in view of its name, and therefore likely ingredient, would it (is it) legal in the US. I've often been tempted..... multiseason antifouling 10 years protection hard wearing copper filled epoxy resin copper antifoul
From their website, that product sounds like the miracle product we've all been praying for. I wonder why it hasn't replaced all the other bottom paint products?

OK, how about this: Many people swear that adding cayenne pepper to bottom paint makes it work much better.
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Tom, and others. What about this permanent bottom paint. It sounds like the hard coat to beat all hard coats, but in view of its name, and therefore likely ingredient, would it (is it) legal in the US. I've often been tempted..... multiseason antifouling 10 years protection hard wearing copper filled epoxy resin copper antifoul
CopperCoat (and similar copper-loaded epoxies) have their fans and detractors. Those who've used it and claim it works well tend to keep their boats in low fouling waters for the most part, IMHO. I cannot recommend it, as it seems to perform very poorly here in the Bay Area. There has been quite a lot of discussion about it over on the Cruisers Forum, including some input from the company owner:

Coppercoat by Aquarius Marine Coatings UK - Cruisers & Sailing Forums

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............ There has been quite a lot of discussion about it over on the Cruisers Forum, ............
That's the only forum I've seen where the members argue more than this one!
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That's the only forum I've seen where the members argue more than this one!
Clearly you have never spent any time at SailingAnarchy.com
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Clearly you have never spent any time at SailingAnarchy.com
No I have not. Not much interest in sailboats. I used to participate in the Cruisers Forum but the arguing and rudeness got to me.

For some reason, once some people get behind a keyboard, they forget how to get along with others.
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For some reason, once some people get behind a keyboard, they forget how to get along with others.
It's the anonymity. There are no consequences for what you say on a forum like this so people say what they want. It's like when you drive home after a bad meeting and you have fun destroying the other people who were in the meeting by saying in your mind what you wish you could have said in person but you didn't because you didn't want to be fired. Forums like this are an opportunity to tell people exactly what you think of them but with no consequences whatsoever.

I have zero interest in ever meeting anyone on this forum (except Carey who we knew long before TF and RTF who I think would be a hoot) and so do not expect to ever confront anyone here in person. So, no risk in what I type.
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Many people swear that adding cayenne pepper to bottom paint makes it work much better.
Wow! Pre spiced seafood for those who left the antifoul job too long.
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Most boat drivers tend to be Type A and somewhat independant minded ..


Its not the keyboard they hide behind , its confidence in the validity of their ideas, usually backed by experience.

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I did my bottom two years ago. Before I started I subscribed to the Interlux forum and posted several questions related to painting the bottom. A moderator who works for Interlux asked me several questions and then recommended a specific paint based on where I kept the boat and how often I used it among other things. He recommended a hard paint that goes against conventional wisdom by some folks who operate in a tropical environment. After two years it's still in good shape.
I believe Petit also has a forum, you might get some insight by subscribing.
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I did my bottom two years ago. Before I started I subscribed to the Interlux forum and posted several questions related to painting the bottom. A moderator who works for Interlux asked me several questions and then recommended a specific paint based on where I kept the boat and how often I used it among other things. He recommended a hard paint that goes against conventional wisdom by some folks who operate in a tropical environment. After two years it's still in good shape.
I believe Petit also has a forum, you might get some insight by subscribing.
Petit has a paint selector on its website. Answer the questions and get the best paint for your situation. Well, the best Petit paint anyway.
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Unless a technical glitch removed some posts, our moderators have hard been at work on this thread. Those judgement calls are not easy. Thanks guys.
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