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Old 05-21-2016, 09:43 AM   #1
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Yet another refrigerator question...

I learn a lot asking these questions here, so once again...
American Tug uses a Nova Kool fridge on the 395. Although by all accounts it is a well made unit that has excellent factory support I find it...well...a little ugly!

It fits the space well and they do use some stainless panels in the doors which dresses it up a bit but...

I have asked if they would install a Vitrifrigo door/drawer model instead.
They will but I would have to live with a 1" or so narrower step/entryway to the pilot house and we would have to move the fridge up into the space occupied by the microwave. This would also eliminate a little carpeted bowl like space behind the helm seat that is provided for binoculars...
We don't want a microwave anyway so that doesn't bother us.

The Nova Kool uses a single BD-35 compressor for both fridge and freezer section whereas the Vitrifrigo uses two separate BD units, one for fridge and one for freezer. The VF looks a lot more modern (better) and uses a door for the fridge and a drawer for the freezer. The freezer on the VF is larger and I believe the fridge is a bit larger too...

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Old 05-21-2016, 10:46 AM   #2
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While I have no direct experience with a marine app, my experience with a dual compressor Vestfrost at home is positive all the way. Much more energy efficient and a lot quieter.

I know I would go with dual compressor machine if I was in your deck shoes.
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While I have no direct experience with a marine app, my experience with a dual compressor Vestfrost at home is positive all the way. Much more energy efficient and a lot quieter.

I know I would go with dual compressor machine if I was in your deck shoes.
I will have to research the idea of dual vs single compressors. The obvious benefit is that you can have each box at the precise temperature you wish...

This is a picture of the current 395 with the Nova Kool...
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I like your VF choice!

That being said, if you weren't going to have a microwave, that space would make a nice cabinet. Most boats <40' lack sufficient galley storage, IMO.

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As I've stated many times, I really like the Vitrifrigo.
The temps are so constant, 37 to 39 F at lowest setting and freezer 3 F always.

Both compressors use about 5Ax12Vx24hours = 1700 watts per 24 hours

Make sure you get 12/24/120/240 even if you think you will never use it.
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I like your VF choice!

That being said, if you weren't going to have a microwave, that space would make a nice cabinet. Most boats <40' lack sufficient galley storage, IMO.

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There is tons of space on this boat! Really...
Of course we are accustomed to a sailboat so...
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There is tons of space on this boat! Really...

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One of the first 10 rules of boating:

Stuff expands to fill available space. Really...

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Sounds like a good option Bruce. I would like a drawer freezer much better than one with a door (We have a NovaKool on our boat). Two compressors should give you much better temp control and possibly even less power usuage. So, if you are SURE that you want to delete the microwave, I don't think the 1" narrower steps to the PH will be a problem as there is plenty of space on the AT.

FWIW, I would never do the microwave delete. But then if I was going to spend that much money, I would likely buy this instead. Different boats for different folks.
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Sounds like a good option Bruce. I would like a drawer freezer much better than one with a door (We have a NovaKool on our boat). Two compressors should give you much better temp control and possibly even less power usuage. So, if you are SURE that you want to delete the microwave, I don't think the 1" narrower steps to the PH will be a problem as there is plenty of space on the AT.

FWIW, I would never do the microwave delete. But then if I was going to spend that much money, I would likely buy this instead. Different boats for different folks.
We are really not interested in a boat bigger than 40'...and we really like the fact that the American Tug is a US built vessel.
That North Pacific Trawler looks like a lovely boat too and they do make a number of smaller models but...

As for the microwave, we don't even have one in our house! We've no use for one... We have one on our Sabre and I think we have used it one time in 11 years. I'm pretty sure it is not a mistake for us to delete it from our boat.
Someday when we sell this boat, someone can add on if they choose.
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Our NovaKool fridges have wood-face panel inserts.


Separate compressors for the two compartments would be useful... but even our larger fridge is probably too small to make that worth while. It's probably less than half the size of the one pictured...


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I have a NK R5810 on the truck on its way to my house. It requires 30 sq inches of venting to allow adequate cooling. Of course, not all models have the same requirement, but it would be good to look into it before committing...you probably already have.

Currently, I'm thinking through the fridge venting on my boat that I'll follow up on in a new thread. I think I've found a simple solution that's aesthetic and effective.
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We have Vitrifrigo and are very pleased.
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I have a NK R5810 on the truck on its way to my house. It requires 30 sq inches of venting to allow adequate cooling. Of course, not all models have the same requirement, but it would be good to look into it before committing...you probably already have.

Currently, I'm thinking through the fridge venting on my boat that I'll follow up on in a new thread. I think I've found a simple solution that's aesthetic and effective.
I love exploring these subjects...of course when purchasing a new boat you count on the manufacturer to get these details right. When I asked the people at AT about making the change, the first thing they mentioned was the ventilation of the condenser...
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We have Vitrifrigo and are very pleased.
Your response seems to be what the majority (everybody?) says about Vitrifrigo.
It is looking as though the odds are it is a good unit. It is good looking too!
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Your response seems to be what the majority (everybody?) says about Vitrifrigo.
It is looking as though the odds are it is a good unit. It is good looking too!
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Seems the only question is do you want to change everything else enough to accommodate it.
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As for the microwave, we don't even have one in our house! We've no use for one...
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That right there is why you don't think you need one. Not having one at home means you're living like we all did prior to the 70-80s. Once you have one however, you realise just how quick and convenient they are, and do away for having to fire up the stove, be it gas or electric, for those myriad of quick heat requiring things. FWIW, we have no AC on board when out, and cook on gas, so have no microwave, but of all the items that require AC that we have sometimes wished we had, it's a microwave.

But you need to have one at home to learn just how convenient they would be on the boat. Like Dave says, I strongly urge a re-think doing away with it if there is one there, or a special space for one. We went as far as getting a small inverter that could run a small one, but the decision to sell occurred before we got the microwave. (Actually the decision to sell is currently under review due to a plan change). Sure, on a yacht, one lives differently, so I can understand not using it. Now you are in a whole different style of water living...
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Wifey B: No nuking?

No leftovers? It's really the only way to warm them. No canned or frozen veggies? How do you heat them? No precooked food or frozen? I'm sooooooooooooo confused. When I was a child we didn't have one. Do you still do coffee in an old fashioned percolator? Do you do toast in the over having no toaster or toaster oven? I've got it. You're playing that game where you go back to the 1800's and life like settlers and pioneers? Nope, not that. Boat's too nice. It's ok. Whatever makes you happy. I just didn't know there were still people who didn't. I learn something every day.
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Wifey B: No nuking?

No leftovers? It's really the only way to warm them. No canned or frozen veggies? How do you heat them? No precooked food or frozen? I'm sooooooooooooo confused. When I was a child we didn't have one. Do you still do coffee in an old fashioned percolator? Do you do toast in the oven having no toaster or toaster oven? I've got it. You're playing that game where you go back to the 1800's and life like settlers and pioneers? Nope, not that. Boat's too nice. It's ok. Whatever makes you happy. I just didn't know there were still people who didn't. I learn something every day.
Wifey B, I'm with you on this. It's not too late for us to introduce Bruce B & his crew to the joys of the wonder of the age.

However, as an aside, and I've been meaning to raise this before but kept forgetting. Why don't you just join up under your own avatar..? I'm sure you would come up with a series of very interesting ones. It would also make it more clear who we were responding to. You, or BandB your crew. Maybe you need to drop a loud hint about how nice it would be to be surprised with the latest iPad, or similar..? Feel free to tell me to mind my own business, but it works well with another couple who have recently come on...I refer to Star 0210 and Starsman. Just a thought..?
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Wifey B, I'm with you on this. It's not too late for us to introduce Bruce B & his crew to the joys of the wonder of the age.

However, as an aside, and I've been meaning to raise this before but kept forgetting. Why don't you just join up under your own avatar..? I'm sure you would come up with a series of very interesting ones. It would also make it more clear who we were responding to. You, or BandB your crew. Maybe you need to drop a loud hint about how nice it would be to be surprised with the latest iPad, or similar..? Feel free to tell me to mind my own business, but it works well with another couple who have recently come on...I refer to Star 0210 and Starsman. Just a thought..?
Wifey B: We've done it the other way elsewhere and worked lousy, was a pain too as sometimes we're just sitting together and too lazy to use our own tablets. We try to make it clear but we'll reconsider.

Oh, my interesting avatars wouldn't be allowed....

As to tablets and such, we have sort of plenty, like excess, but iPad's only for testing the competition's product, not for use. Most of what we do here is on a Samsung Tablet. We use Android mostly, a bit of Windows on Surfaces.

Now bed time. Well, not bed time, we've been in bed. Sleep time.
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I did not mean for my comments on a microwave to turn into an invention for Bruce. Nothing wrong with going without a microwave.
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