Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 02-10-2011, 11:03 AM   #1
TF Site Team
 
Pineapple Girl's Avatar
 
City: San Mateo, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Pineapple Girl II
Vessel Model: PT 35
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,165
What is an Anchor Elbow?

We are trying to finalize correcting all the survey findings (Hey it has only been six months!) and one of them was "clean and polish anchor elbow."* The surveyor indicated this is inside the anchor locker.* We don't see anything in there that looks like it needs to be cleaned and polished.* Anyone know what this is?* I googled it and the results all look like something to do with lifelines or plumbing and not anchors???

thanks!
__________________
Advertisement

Pineapple Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 11:38 AM   #2
Guru
 
jleonard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,735
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

In 20 + years of boating I have never heard that term.
__________________

jleonard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 12:01 PM   #3
Guru
 
Arctic Traveller's Avatar


 
City: Juneau Alaska
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Arctic Traveller
Vessel Model: Defever 49 RPH
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 619
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Call the surveyor and ask him, but I have to wonder what would need polishing in the anchor locker?* Seems a little anal to me.....................Arctic Traveller
Arctic Traveller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 12:27 PM   #4
TF Site Team
 
Pineapple Girl's Avatar
 
City: San Mateo, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Pineapple Girl II
Vessel Model: PT 35
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,165
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Arctic Traveller wrote:

Call the surveyor and ask him...

*
We had called a surveyor we had used before and liked.* He showed up with a sidekick, who is the one that came up with this item.* Apparently the one we WANTED is retiring and is turning over his business to the sidekick.**The*sidekick was SUCH a cheeseball.* If nobody knows*what this is I am not going to worry about it!*
Pineapple Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 01:00 PM   #5
Guru
 
Woodsong's Avatar
 
City: Atlanta
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4550 Pilothouse
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,630
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

well EVERYONE knows the anchor elbow is connected to the shoulder.....

What could possibly need polishing in an anchor locker?
Woodsong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 02:06 PM   #6
Scraping Paint
 
City: -
Country: -
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,748
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

The only "elbow" I can conceive of in an anchor locker would be a guide of some sort leading the rode from the windlass down through the deck to drop in specific place in the locker. I've seen metal tubes that angled down into the locker and then had an elbow or bend to feed the rode straight down. If this is even close to the correct definition I cannot conceive why it would need to be "polished" unless the inside of the tube is so gunked up it could interfere with the passage of the rode through it. But if that was the case, "cleaned out" would be the expected term.

You sure the surveyor wasn't making a joke?
Marin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 03:00 PM   #7
TF Site Team
 
Pineapple Girl's Avatar
 
City: San Mateo, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Pineapple Girl II
Vessel Model: PT 35
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,165
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Marin wrote:

You sure the surveyor wasn't making a joke?
I think more likely he is an idiot and didn't know what he was talking about.* There were a few things he said we didn't have that we do (like a high water alarm) and there were a few fairly obvious things he missed (like soft wood under one of the windows).* I was VERY disappointed with the survey.

Maybe I'll post a photo of the inside of my anchor locker and see if any of you see anything I need to clean or polish!!
Pineapple Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 03:12 PM   #8
Scraping Paint
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Vessel Model: CHB 48 Zodiac YL 4.2
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,804
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

"I think more likely he is an idiot and didn't know what he was talking about."

That is a fairly common affliction among yacht surveyors. They are a lot like politicians, after a while they begn to believe themselves.
RickB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 04:13 PM   #9
Guru
 
Woodsong's Avatar
 
City: Atlanta
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4550 Pilothouse
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,630
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Hey- I had the surveyor that was representing the buyer who bought my previous boat take a look around for a bit and after staring at the magma kettle grill we had mounted to a rail and covered with the typical canvas cover....well- after looking at it for a bit he actually asked me if it was an extra spotlight!! I kid you not! As well, after about 30 minutes of him crawling around the engine room, sitting smack dab in between the 2 engines and after going up to the bridge and seeing the 4 inboard controls he asked to confirm that it was in fact a twin screw boat! I was speechless.
Woodsong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 04:59 PM   #10
Guru
 
Woodsong's Avatar
 
City: Atlanta
Country: USA
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4550 Pilothouse
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 1,630
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Old Stone wrote:

Sooooooooooooo......................Was it a twin screw???????????????

Unfortunately , there are just as many home inspectors that are just a unqualified. In both cases, you note that the first thing in the reports states that they are not responsible for the contents of the report!
Carl, no it was a single screw and the grill WAS in fact a spotlight- I just never realized it all those years!! *
Woodsong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 05:45 PM   #11
Master and Commander
 
markpierce's Avatar
 
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: 2011 Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 10,254
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Woodsong wrote:

Hey- I had the surveyor that was representing the buyer who bought my previous boat take a look around for a bit and after staring at the magma kettle grill we had mounted to a rail and covered with the typical canvas cover....well- after looking at it for a bit he actually asked me if it was an extra spotlight!! I kid you not! As well, after about 30 minutes of him crawling around the engine room, sitting smack dab in between the 2 engines and after going up to the bridge and seeing the 4 inboard controls he asked to confirm that it was in fact a twin screw boat! I was speechless.
He was testing you.

*
markpierce is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 05:46 PM   #12
Grand Vizier
 
Delfin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,487
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

I believe anchor elbow is what you get raising the anchor without a windlass.* Kind of like 'texting thumb'.* Very painful.
Delfin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 09:50 PM   #13
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 13,707
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

I think Marin is basically right about the elbow.

On a horizonlal windlass there's no elbow but on a vertical windlass there is a metal finger of sorts that scoops the chain out of the gypsy sprocket at which point the chain is diverted 90 degrees and then straight down into the chain locker through the chain pipe. The chain makes the turn through the elbow. It could be called the chain diverter but it looks like a pipe elbow and the guy just called it an anchor elbow. This is what I think it is IF you PG have a vertical windlass**** ...and I'm mostly certain you do.
Nomad Willy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-10-2011, 10:09 PM   #14
TF Site Team
 
Pineapple Girl's Avatar
 
City: San Mateo, CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Pineapple Girl II
Vessel Model: PT 35
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 2,165
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
nomadwilly wrote:

I think Marin is basically right about the elbow.

On a horizonlal windlass there's no elbow but on a vertical windlass there is a metal finger of sorts that scoops the chain out of the gypsy sprocket at which point the chain is diverted 90 degrees and then straight down into the chain locker through the chain pipe. The chain makes the turn through the elbow. It could be called the chain diverter but it looks like a pipe elbow and the guy just called it an anchor elbow. This is what I think it is IF you PG have a vertical windlass**** ...and I'm mostly certain you do.
*


Wow Eric, that is a really good explanation but I have a horizontal windlass.
Pineapple Girl is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 04:39 AM   #15
TF Site Team
 
Peter B's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Lotus
Vessel Model: Clipper (CHB) 34 Sedan/Europa style
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 6,669
Send a message via Skype™ to Peter B
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

I think it was the marine equivalent of the left-handed screwdriver...?
Peter B is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 08:25 AM   #16
Grand Vizier
 
Delfin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 2,487
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Old Stone wrote:

does that mean the more times we raise an elbow for a beer, the more "in shape" we will be for raising the anchor? Works for me !
Yes, Carl, this is similar to the same reason why, according to Cliff Klaven, drinking beer makes you smarter.* Just as the smaller weaker caribou are killed off by predators because they aren't fast enough to get out of the way, thus making the herd healthier, so drinking a lot of beer kills off the weaker less fit brain cells making you smarter.

Thus, drinking beer can be said to both make you smarter, and more physically fit.

I'm glad I had an opportunity to clear this up.

*
Delfin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 08:29 AM   #17
Guru
 
Arctic Traveller's Avatar


 
City: Juneau Alaska
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Arctic Traveller
Vessel Model: Defever 49 RPH
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 619
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Interesting surveyor story.* When we bought our boat, the surveyor we found was fully accredited by the surveyor associations, had written lots of magazine articles, had been in business for 20 years, and was highly recommended by several folks.* Long story short, he did a lousy job on our boat.* He missed several things that should have been paid for by the seller and ended up costing me a lot of money.* When I pointed this out to him after the fact, he agreed he should have seen the defects, and refunded all my money.* Fortunately though, he did point out that there were things like a piece of loose trim in the galley, and the carpet was worn in spots.*

I later met a guy on the docks with a new to him boat, and when the subject of surveyors came up, he complained bitterly about stuff his surveyor had missed. Guess what?......Same guy.

This was about six or seven years ago.* Currently, I have a contract to deliver a boat, and part of the pre-delivery process is a complete inspection of the boat to insure it's capable of making the trip.* The boat is a Defever of the type that has a large sea chest, with all through-hulls coming out of the chest.* While looking at the sea-chest I noticed that all the through-hulls were plastic, a big no-no, and a real safety issue.* Actually, one of them was already broken* and needs replacing. (the boat is out of the water at the moment)* I recommended to the owner that he replace all of them with proper bronze sea-cocks while the boat is hauled. He said that the surveyor should have mentioned this in his report, but failed to do so. Now he is stuck paying for something that the old owner may have at least split the cost of.* He mentioned several other things the surveyor missed, or was wrong about.* One was that the horn didn't work, despite the fact that it was an air horn actuated by a pull cord near the steering station.* Trouble was he didn't turn on the air compressor first.* The horn works fine.* Guess who the surveyor was?............Yup, same guy.*

So, it seems no mater how many associations he belongs to, how many accreditation's he has, how many certificates hang on his wall, how many magazine articles he's written, or how big his firm is, there is no guarantee of the quality of the survey you get.* Perhaps the best way to find* a good one is to ask everyone you can find for a recommendation and hope one name is mentioned several times.* .................Arctic Traveller
Arctic Traveller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 08:43 AM   #18
Scraping Paint
 
City: Fort Lauderdale
Vessel Model: CHB 48 Zodiac YL 4.2
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,804
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
Arctic Traveller wrote:"...*the surveyor we found was fully accredited by the surveyor associations, had written lots of magazine articles ..."
There is a famous surveyor with a large and popular website who is often referenced on this site. After reading several of his treatises on propulsion*I wouldn't let him step on my boat much less in the engine room.

*
RickB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 09:05 AM   #19
Guru
 
jleonard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,735
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

"After reading several of his treatises on propulsion*I wouldn't let him step on my boat much less in the engine room."

I know who you mean and I agree.
jleonard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-11-2011, 09:49 AM   #20
Guru
 
Arctic Traveller's Avatar


 
City: Juneau Alaska
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Arctic Traveller
Vessel Model: Defever 49 RPH
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 619
RE: What is an Anchor Elbow?

Quote:
RickB wrote:There is a famous surveyor with a large and popular website who is often referenced on this site. After reading several of his treatises on propulsion*I wouldn't let him step on my boat much less in the engine room.
Since we all have much to learn (some of us more than others) I think he (the famous surveyor) has a lot to offer.* As it is with all advice given by others, it's buyer beware.* Gather as much advice as you can, then filter it through your own reasearch before coming to a conclusion.*

I'd love to have Mr famous survey my boat, but I fear if it was a pre-purchace survey I might never be able to get insurance, or financing.* On the other hand, if I was having a new boat built, his pre-acceptance survey may be worth it's weight in gold..............Arctic Traveller

*
__________________

Arctic Traveller is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
90 degree hose elbow source dwhatty Power Systems 7 03-30-2012 08:36 AM
Exhaust Elbow Gulf Comanche Power Systems 14 11-07-2011 09:43 AM
Perkins 6.354 exhaust elbow Egregious Power Systems 10 10-14-2011 08:32 PM
Clear rust out of exhaust elbow/water injector r-rossow Power Systems 13 10-06-2011 09:13 PM
where to buy an ehaust elbow for an old Kohler? Daddyo Power Systems 4 09-27-2011 11:38 AM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:45 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012