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Old 12-04-2018, 07:22 PM   #61
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Marty will you join the two tanks so you can fill and draw from them at the same time?

Possum had two 25 gallon water tanks, one port and one Starboard. I ran a hose under the engine connecting them. The fill and draw fittings were both in the port tank but I had no trouble filling and emptying both.
That might get to complicated for me to plumb . I may try to fill from one fill with a y-valve and draw from separate lines with a valve for each . I’m not sure yet and also not sure if I want to drain from bottom or pull from top. Just getting the right tank or tanks is about to whoop me.
I’m overthinking it as always.If this works out I will install two next year on my starboard side. I sure hope Ronco will sell me direct .
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It would be pretty easy to connect them but you’d probably need at least six inches between them.

Don’t forget both tanks will need to be vented.
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This is the inside of my old port side water tank. There is about a 2” radius type stringer running through the center of the old water tank area. We have a total of four of these stringers 2 port and 2 starboard running along the inside of the hull under the aft deck and into engine room. I’m assuming these are for strengthening the hull. I posted just to show yet another challenge in trying to nest hard water tanks in the area, but I’m getting closer.
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Old 12-06-2018, 01:36 PM   #64
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I have bought tanks from Ronco directly before. As to the supports in the hull, can you add some filler in between the supports to make it flush for the tanks to sit on? How high do they stick up from the hull? Maybe cut some wood to that same thickness and glass some more inbetween the supports. Then lay a thin piece of plywood on top of them to provide support for the tank. If the area is too curved for regular plywood then get some ďwiggle woodĒ. It is plywood that the grain runs in the same direction so it will literally roll up into a drum. I have some in my garage if you want to come pick it up... I use it to make curved molds for fiberglass.
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Thanks Comodave. I think the last mock up I made is going to work . It’s Ronco’s model B348 and I’m planning on two side by side.
I’ve been talking with Ronco and yes they are very helpful. They think my mock up is pretty close to their tank. I still haven’t pulled the trigger to order the tanks but after this weekend I should be ready. I want to make dang sure they’re gonna work , 25% restocking plus all the freight is scary . The tanks will probably set up about 1-1/2” away from the hull so I’ll have fill with something. I’ve got some of that bendable plywood also and I was thinking of doing just what you suggested. Whatever I do it will probably be out of wood . I’m not to good with fiberglass.
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Mr. PM. I would advise against wood in any form as a filler. Perhaps strips of rigid foam? Easy to carve and if used in thin sheets, quite bendable.

My reasoning is IF there is ever any ingress of water into that area, there will be a rot potential no matter how well you think you've sealed a wood spacer. Glue the foam down with appropriate adhesive and you've essentially got a "flat" curved surface.


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Old 12-06-2018, 02:30 PM   #67
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Mr. PM. I would advise against wood in any form as a filler. Perhaps strips of rigid foam? Easy to carve and if used in thin sheets, quite bendable.

My reasoning is IF there is ever any ingress of water into that area, there will be a rot potential no matter how well you think you've sealed a wood spacer. Glue the foam down with appropriate adhesive and you've essentially got a "flat" curved surface.


https://www.finehomebuilding.com/201...ion-rigid-foam
Thanks RT, that sounds like a good idea. Do you think the blueboard type insulation board used on houses would be good enough? I don't guess it would absorb water or deteriorate?
Sorry I see now it was included in your link ,I just didn't read far enough.
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Mr. PM. I guess pretty well the only thing you might have to consider is the compress-ability of whatever foam you use. A 25 gallon tank will weigh in the neighborhood of 200 lbs or so (+ the weight of the tank). Even distributed over a larger area, you don't want the foam to compress to the point of creating a pressure point along that 1/2 round stiffener.


I would also incorporate some, even a minimal amount of, ventilation (IF possible) around the tank. Even small bits of stagnant water will smell after a while.
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I would epoxy coat the wood and plywood.
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I would epoxy coat the wood and plywood.
Thanks , Iím sure whatever I decide to use it will outlast me.
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It would be great if I could get Ronco to modify these two stock tanks. If they could cut out a section in the bottom and weld in a 1/2 round tube a little larger for clearance of the stiffener these two tanks might nest almost perfect. It doesn’t hurt to ask .

I just called and they said they cannot. It would require a new tank mold.
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"I just called and they said they cannot. It would require a new tank mold."


There are other tank mfg sources that might have a better fitting tank.
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"I just called and they said they cannot. It would require a new tank mold."


There are other tank mfg sources that might have a better fitting tank.
Might need to do that . That 1/2 round stiffener is the bugger bear right now.
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Marty, do I understand that the new tanks will end up sitting on the half round stiffener? If so could you build a low platform over the stiffener for the tanks to sit on?
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You could also set the tank in place above the hull support and then shoot expanding foam under the tank for support. Several issues with this approach. You might trap any water that drains through this area. Also would make removing the tanks more difficult if needed in the future. But you could wrap the bottom of the tanks in plastic before foaming to allow future removal. I did foam in a holding tank in a previous boat and it worked great.
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Playing around in the shop today because itís too cold for me at the boat . I think this is pretty close to what Iíll be dealing with to straddle the stiffner . I do need to practice my fiberglass skills and what better place than below deck . Iíve been looking at gridded foam core, epoxy and fiberglass for platform. Lots of options.
Thanks everyone for all the input . Tomorrow is supposed to be warmer here maybe Iíll get a little further along . Iím slow these days . I hate it but thatís just how it is .
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Pack.. Why not get a piece of Pipe (PVC) the same size and bandsaw cut it in half. Epoxy and fiberglass it in on either side of the stringer to make a base for the tank. As many as your comfortable with to fill in and make a base. Maybe a piece of plywood or starboard under the tank straddling the supports if you think it needs it. Those tanks are pretty tough.
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Pack.. Why not get a piece of Pipe (PVC) the same size and bandsaw cut it in half. Epoxy and fiberglass it in on either side of the stringer to make a base for the tank. As many as your comfortable with to fill in and make a base. Maybe a piece of plywood or starboard under the tank straddling the supports if you think it needs it. Those tanks are pretty tough.
Thanks Solly that’s s good idea . The tank mfg claims it needs full support on all sides. I’ve thought about starboard also but not the pvc pipe. Do you think starboard would make the bend of the tank? Maybe three frames out of 3/4 starboard and then bend a piece of 1/4” starboard and screw to frames ?
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How about just cutting rings off PVC pipe as spacers to support a piece of plywood?
You should be able to use a belt sander w coarse grit to contour the rings where needed to fit the curve.
Dry fit masking tape rings in place if necessary to test fit then epoxy bottom side of plywood.
Weight it till epoxy sets up.
Remove & add more epoxy to bottom if necessary and top side to seal it.
You might even be able to use the old luan tank mock-ups that didn't work?
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How about just cutting rings off PVC pipe as spacers to support a piece of plywood?
You should be able to use a belt sander w coarse grit to contour the rings where needed to fit the curve.
Dry fit masking tape rings in place if necessary to test fit then epoxy bottom side of plywood.
Weight it till epoxy sets up.
Remove & add more epoxy to bottom if necessary and top side to seal it.
You might even be able to use the old luan tank mock-ups that didn't work?
Thanks Bacchus another great idea. So many great ideas here. Thanks guys , I love this forum.
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