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Old 05-22-2015, 01:59 PM   #1
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Water in bilge - source found

Been fighting water collecting under my V-berth bilge. I thought it might be a leaky toilet hose cause of the smell.

Found issue today. Bad bilge sump pump for master shower - all the way in rear of the boat.

Lesson learned? Stay wide eyed and don't think just because water is in one part of boat that the problem is up there with it!
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:05 PM   #2
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Congrats! I almost hate shower sumps as much as poop issues...almost
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Old 05-22-2015, 02:13 PM   #3
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Have a similar problem. The yard is checking this out at this very moment.
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:18 PM   #4
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Watch those wires around the float switch. Don't want them to become a source of hanging it up.

We had the same issue. The AC condensation drain also goes into that same sump for the aft unit. Took me a while to figure why the bow kept holding water.
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Old 05-22-2015, 05:26 PM   #5
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Well, not so fast. I replaced the pump, the pump ran but box still filled with water and ran out top. I suspect a plugged outlet drain now. If so that could have killed the last pump.

Back to making the walk of shame to the Marina showers for now. Poo! No, not poo this time! Thank God!
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Use a shop vac to suck out the overboard drain.
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:35 PM   #8
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"Readymade all in one box" sump filters need periodic cleaning. Easily overlooked, not the most popular job,or the most accessible, but necessary.
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Old 05-22-2015, 08:51 PM   #9
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One of the best improvements I've made. Disconnect all the other stuff. install this. No filters, no clogging no smell. The thing will pump hair, fingernail, etc. haven't tried pebbles yet.

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Just noticed something else in you photos above. A box of insulated butt connectors. These appear not to have heat shrink. You should always do your connections with heat shrink connectors (the best have adhesive) to avoid corrosion issues. If not you will end up doing it again.

I always when possible try and use block connections. This way in the future when you have to replace a pump or float switch all you have to do is remove a couple of connection screws and put on some ring connectors thighten and your done.
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It's some what counter productive to use heat shrink ring terminals then attach them to an exposed terminal block. If you're going to use a terminal block at least put it in a splash proof box and coat the block with BoeShield or something like it.

Better yet, put the terminal block in a water tight box.
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I had the same problem. That small piece of hose that connects to the pump has a check valve in it. On mine it was bad. Removed it and all worked well.
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I had the same problem. That small piece of hose that connects to the pump has a check valve in it. On mine it was bad. Removed it and all worked well.

Wow! I need to check that. Never occurred to me there could be a valve in there. Thanks. I will let u know.

As for the wiring. That is how I found it. Cleaning it all up as I go to include dielectric grease and proper terminals and butt connectors. The terminal block is high enough out of the way that I will skip a cover for it. Actually surprised there was even a block there!
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Whale Marine - Products

One of the best improvements I've made. Disconnect all the other stuff. install this. No filters, no clogging no smell. The thing will pump hair, fingernail, etc. haven't tried pebbles yet.

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Exactly what we did 15 years ago, have never looked back and it just works with no maintenance, smell or mess ....
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Exactly what we did 15 years ago, have never looked back and it just works with no maintenance, smell or mess ....

That is cool. Learning all the time. I love it! Thanks so much.
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Congrats! I almost hate shower sumps as much as poop issues...almost
Which is why…in my far from perfect boat (I've learnt to accept this)...I am happy to just let my shower drain by gravity into the forward main bilge, where I can easily see if there is any shenanigans developing. 'lot to be said for the KISS principle, even though several folk said "yuk", at the thought of shower water going out via the bilge.

But yes, as I have said before, and hmason just made same comment with a link, if you want to have a shower sump, a Whale Gulper diaphragm type pump in it, switched manually ideally, just when needed, (KISS again) and sent direct to a through-hull, which can be shared by some other above waterline outlet, is the way to go. Then no need for seacock closing, anti-siphon set-ups, or anything else to go wrong or clog.

What did you do in the end Mark..?
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We had shower water overflowing the custom sump box, which led me to remove the top plate and clean up and test the bits inside. The soap/detergent water helped get rid of the diesel fuel from a now replaced fractured fuel line (between L120 lift pump and filters) so it came in handy, but I`d not want it as the norm.
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Ah…are you saying there Bruce, that the period you allowed the shower water to run into the bilge, while you sorted out the sump, helped clean out old diesel spill fouling..? If so, why would you not have been happy to continue that process, other than just the knowing it's regarded as "not the done thing"..? It has FF's approval as a method.
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My issue is that if I don't use the sump box the water that collects in fed bilge begins to stink and has to be removed manually. The bilge pump just can't get that last few inches.

I also must admit to bing a little OCD about having a dry bilge. Can't help it.
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My issue is that if I don't use the sump box the water that collects in fed bilge begins to stink and has to be removed manually. The bilge pump just can't get that last few inches.

I also must admit to bing a little OCD about having a dry bilge. Can't help it.
Frg, totally agree in your case of, I think, living aboard, or going out for long periods, the shower into the bilge is not so good, and the Whale Gulper Pump in a decent sump is definitely the way to go. I was really meaning that for the occasional overnighter/odd weekend/week or two, outings, the simpler bilge discharge way works ok.
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