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Old 09-14-2014, 03:02 PM   #1
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Stupid PO Tricks

DIY Sanitary Hose:

I finally got around to removing one of the dumbest things the PO did to my boat:


This was the hose coming from the forward head toward the holding tank. Look closely. That's red automotive RADIATOR HOSE the PO had painted white to make it LOOK like sanitary hose.

The adapter on the right attached to a piece of real 1-1/2" sanitary hose, which (except for one splice near the middle) went to the holding tank.

Oh, and that hose went UP through the bulkhead, then sagged DOWN along its way back up to the top of the holding tank, thus guaranteeing that it always remained full of waste water.

Last week I removed the vacuum cleaner hose the PO had connected to the shower drain. You can't make this stuff up!
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Old 09-14-2014, 03:14 PM   #2
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One of my favs was on my old Carver 28. The depthsounder was wired to the ignition keyswitch with speaker wire. Where the speaker wire connected to the DS was 2 large balls of duct tape. Under the duct tape were wirenuts on the twisted wires with wood screws driven in to keep everything tight!
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I guess you have to laugh after the fact at the inventiveness of painting the hose white! Did you suffer failure or catch it before bad stuff happened?

On ours, the PO Stupid Trick (POST?) was to have the electrical system all tied in together. Doesn't sound too bad until you understand that the house batteries & start batteries & inverter batteries & windlass/thruster batteries & genset batteries were all connected in parallel. Among other things the master switch was completely out of the equation.

Makes you wonder how these things get past the surveyor.
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Old 09-14-2014, 03:46 PM   #4
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...Under the duct tape were wirenuts on the twisted wires...
Yup. My PO did the same thing!

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...Did you suffer failure or catch it before bad stuff happened?
This was caught before any disaster. It's been on my "to do" list for a year and a half though, so I was lucky.

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...On ours, the PO Stupid Trick (POST?) was to have the electrical system all tied in together.
Ditto. The three banks, house, starting and genset, are all connected to a battery combiner. But my genius PO had re-wired the combiner so that all three were always combined. The only thing I was able to save was the genset battery.

I'd go with SPOT (Stupid PO Tricks) myself. His attempts at painting and brightwork sure did leave a lot of spots on the soles and the walls. Other "repairs" he'd done left other spots. So it sort of fits.
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Ditto. The three banks, house, starting and genset, are all connected to a battery combiner. But my genius PO had re-wired the combiner so that all three were always combined. The only thing I was able to save was the genset battery.

I'd go with SPOT (Stupid PO Tricks) myself. His attempts at painting and brightwork sure did leave a lot of spots on the soles and the walls. Other "repairs" he'd done left other spots. So it sort of fits.
When we purchased Blue Sky we knew we had to replace all of the batteries, but as we went about it it became obvious that something seriously was amiss.

I agree that SPOT is a better acronym. Stupid PO Tricks need to be spotted quickly or you could be put on the spot at a bad time. (Sorry...)
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Old 09-14-2014, 06:01 PM   #6
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I think I bought a boat from the same guy!! Here's what I found (so far!)

Head RW fitting secured and sealed with plumber's putty
Fridge 110V wires connected with wire nuts
Main 110V neutral and ground miswired
Main battery selector switch miswired preventing battery bank isolation
Undersink drain lines sealed with lots of silicone sealant
Multiple twisted and taped 12V wires, including one bilge pump

It took me several years to discover and repair all these deficiencies. Fortunately, the rate of discovery dropped greatly after the first 3 years. Now I budget extra time for projects to allow for surprises like these.
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Old 09-14-2014, 06:42 PM   #7
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OK, how about Spa hose for head hose. After all it looks like head hose. But mad did it stink.
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Greetings,
Actually the only SPOT we've experienced is our 220V galley stove/oven, now replaced with propane, was wired to 110V only. Took a long time to heat up for some reason?????? Wiring, plumbing etc. all well addressed, as far as I know thus far (8/9 years).
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OK, I have a few SPOT as well:
- 110v breakers inside the propane locker for Waeco fridge, with hot wire bypassing the shore power master switch
- 110v lights in ER, with wire run from breaker panel using normal 12v wire colours (red/yellow)
- about 10 items connected to 12v panel without any fuses whatsoever
- wire nuts all over the place
- galley drain hose crack 'repaired' with gaffer tape
- thruster and house banks paralleled, and with each bank having its own constant voltage charger. After I used 1.5 gl water topping up the 23 batteries onboard I isolated the banks prior to the refit. I eventually installed new breaker panels and sorted out all of the electrical blunders!
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Actually the only SPOT we've experienced is our 220V galley stove/oven, now replaced with propane, was wired to 110V only. Took a long time to heat up for some reason?????? Wiring, plumbing etc. all well addressed, as far as I know thus far (8/9 years).
What year and make/model of boat?
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Greetings,
Mr. F. Crickets.
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You can't tell us your boat model? (insert head scratch here)
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Old 09-15-2014, 12:07 AM   #13
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You can't tell us your boat model? (insert head scratch here)
I think RTF's gif image means his boat model is of Asian decent.
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I was worked on an 18 foot trihull that had a cheap rule bilge pump wired to constantly run.The overboard discharge side was plumbed into the hose for the exhaust cooling riser.The owner plugged in an elcheapo automotive battery charger to keep the battery charged while the boat was at dock,not in use.The reason, I later figured out, was because the stern drive bellows was leaking and possible rotted into nonexistence.
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Was rewiring the 12v switches on my weather exposed helm. Battery off. Got to one unlabeled switch, touched it and my hand and arm went numb. Cut AC power to boat. Come to find out, PO wired 120v through this switch to power tv antenna booster IN THE ALUMINUM RADAR ARCH! To beat that, it was 18 gauge wire fed into the back of a gfi switch. I have some pics I will post when not on my iPad.
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The pictures of the 120v wire as promised. I was floored!
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My best one yet; the engine cooling water intake hose is 1-1/4 pushed into a 1-1/2 inch engine hose and clamped. No fitting just hose.
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It really is a wonder that more boats don't sink or burn. I think we have a ll cut a corner or two at times, but geez, most of these things are bad.

Wouldn't it be easier and about the same price to just use sanitation hose rather than paint radiator hose?
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My genset water intake was a 11/2" rubber hose clamped to a 1" intake at the strainer. The PO had wrapped the nipple with electrical tape to fatten it up. When I thought the hose was looking like it needed changing, it fell off when I touched the clamp with a screwdriver! Good thing I had closed the sea cock.

I've been working on my Hurricane heat system, I found a connection to the wheelhouse heater that goes from 1/2" copper to 1" heater hose to 1 1/2" heater hose in about 6 inches with no connectors and 6 hose clamps.

Beggars belief, really. No wonder we have to get inspected to carry passengers. Like another poster, I'm amazed you don't see boats popping under the waters like harbour seals with all the crappy work that's out there.
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Old 09-18-2014, 02:40 PM   #20
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My best one yet; the engine cooling water intake hose is 1-1/4 pushed into a 1-1/2 inch engine hose and clamped. No fitting just hose.
OK, you've got me beat there. My PO "only" did the "three hoses inside each other" trick (instead of a reducer) on his creative application of a vacuum cleaner hose for the shower drain.

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Wouldn't it be easier and about the same price to just use sanitation hose rather than paint radiator hose?
Apparently he did all his marine parts shopping at NAPA. Didn't seem to matter that the belts were the wrong size and didn't fit right, that's what NAPA had in stock, so that's what he used. Admittedly, I've bought parts from NAPA too, but I don't believe they typically stock marine sanitary hose.
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