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11-22-2013, 04:03 PM
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Guru
City: Madeira Beach, FL
Vessel Name: Seaweed
Vessel Model: Schucker mini-trawler
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 1,236
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Thanks Sunset for the compliment re my Seaweed. Small boats are fun, aren't they? I can't believe how fortunate I am to have my home and be able to be out here enjoying life on the hook. So few people realize their dreams that just having a boat is a big step. And Albin's are nice. I'd looked at those too for a time.
Years ago I knew a girl who lived on a 25' Chris Craft which was laid out much like your Albin. Her daddy had a sports-fish and mom had a double cabin cruiser. They were quite the show when they moved the boats -- like little ducklings (with crew of course) but the girl had the 25'er all to her self. That was just the height of life to my young eyes. And she had a dog, named Rags. I wanted a dog (and a horse too) but for some reason (sanity?) my folks felt nothing with four feet would work on the boat.
That's not to say I didn't have a series of turtles that would escape their cage and go over the side. I suspect Mother helped them escape -- she wasn't fond of critters.
I'm glad you started the thread though - $200 for an auto pilot is within my budget (after the engine swap that is) and running a compass course is ideal. That's what I do just by habit so to have the thing steer hopefully will make my trail straighter, and burn less fuel.
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11-22-2013, 06:20 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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I had a Simrad AP on our Albin 25 but we haven't felt the need aboard Willy. The hydraulic steering really helps. But I remember the viscous snap roll on the Albin. You don't want to get lined up w 1 to 2' seas abeam on that boat. Very few negatives on the Albin but while solo w/o AP using the head may convert one to going like the girls do ... seated .. or you may pee all over the place.
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North Western Washington State USA
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11-22-2013, 08:30 PM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 278
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One of my favourite remarks in a Brit Motorcycle mag in a bike review: "It holds a line like Robert Downey Jr." - couldn't accuse the Albin of that!
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11-22-2013, 10:34 PM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
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Sunset,
I was referring to her roll instability not directional stability.
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North Western Washington State USA
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11-23-2013, 12:25 AM
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Guru
City: Cruising East Coast US
Vessel Name: Grace
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 2,420
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I put a Raymarine AP on our Albin27. It was one of the smartest things I did with that labor of love.
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Esse Quam Videri
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11-23-2013, 04:53 AM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by manyboats
Sunset,
I was referring to her roll instability not directional stability.
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Actually I was mainly looking for an opportunity to use that line. Though you can't wander far from the unsecured helm of this boat.
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11-23-2013, 07:27 AM
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Curmudgeon
City: Stoney Creek, MD
Vessel Name: Moon Dance
Vessel Model: 1974 34' Marine Trader Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,775
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Inexpensive wheel pilot. Find 'em on e-Bay.
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11-23-2013, 07:31 AM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BaltimoreLurker
Inexpensive wheel pilot. Find 'em on e-Bay.
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What exactly are they?
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11-23-2013, 08:42 AM
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Guru
City: Adelaide
Vessel Name: Kokanee
Vessel Model: Cuddles 30 Pilot House Motor Sailer
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,218
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The wheel pilots have been around for more than 30 years and are simple and dependable. My Autohelm 2000 setup consists of a drive motor and wheel flange which bolts behind your helm wheel (easy installation), and a small control panel with internal compass.
To engage the autopilot, you just pull down a lever, which clamps the flange to your helm wheel, and then push the "AUTO" button. The drive motor then adjusts your helm wheel to keep you on your current heading. It won't follow a plotted course, but holds a straight line perfectly.
You can press +10, -10 to adjust your heading 10 degrees at a time either way, or +1 , -1 for fine adjustments. A remote control for adjusting it is also available. All too easy.
The only time mine occasionally fails, is when I'm going really slow (<3 knots) in rough seas, and then it gives a loud beeping telling me it is confused. If I pick up a little speed for better rudder control it will hold its course under all conditions.
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11-24-2013, 04:58 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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Wheel pilots work best with mechanical steering , rod , cable and chain , whatever.
Some hyd steering will drive them crazy , the question is how quickly.
IF it steers long enough that you can live with the time , the wheel is a really inexpensive good choice.
To make an attempt to decide , simply mark the wheel with a piece of tale , and see how far the tape is from where it started at the end of 30 min or an hour.
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11-30-2013, 01:30 AM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend
Vessel Name: The Promise
Vessel Model: Roughwater 35
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,569
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11-30-2013, 07:33 AM
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Curmudgeon
City: Stoney Creek, MD
Vessel Name: Moon Dance
Vessel Model: 1974 34' Marine Trader Sedan
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,775
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The AutoHelm wheel pilots are supposed to be able to work with a GPS to follow a course. You will need the very hard to find interface box to put between the controller and the GPS. I found such a box, but no instructions. I'm still trying to figure out the correct combination of wires to connect and buttons to push to make that feature work. I'll get there eventually.
But in the meantime, just having the wheel pilot hold a course for me works very well.
FWIW - I've found the best way to locate some of these hard to find items is to use Google Alerts. I was able to find that rare interface box and the elusive SL 555 Sea Tiger manual winch with this method. It may take months before you get a hit. But eventually, someone, somewhere in the world is going to post a "for sale" for the item you want. And Google will find it and notify you.
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11-30-2013, 06:07 PM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 278
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BaltimoreLurker
FWIW - I've found the best way to locate some of these hard to find items is to use Google Alerts.
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Great idea! I've gone ahead and created one for "autohelm for sale". Let's see what happens. (dibs btw )
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11-30-2013, 09:27 PM
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: 1977 Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 13,728
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Another vote for the Autohelm/Wheel Pilot solution. Mine is mounted on a hydraulic steering system, but keeps up with the gain set to maximum. Throw in a following sea on the square transom and it's more than the Wheel Pilot can handle.
The leather wheel wrap makes those hand steering moments much more comfortable.
When it comes time to leave the helm and go below, if I can't pass it off to an able-bodied crew member, the power goes to idle and trannies to neutral until I can return to the helm duties. If the waterway is too confined to allow me to drift safely, the anchor would get deployed at the touch of a button. (It's never come to that....yet.)
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12-01-2013, 06:01 AM
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Guru
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 22,553
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>If the waterway is too confined to allow me to drift safely, the anchor would get deployed<
And the Black Ball hoisted to let the rest of the traffic know you are anchored?
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12-01-2013, 06:07 AM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 278
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It's been many years since I've sailed, but I recall the boat had a wheel drive like this. The radio and Loran were below at the nav table for weather protection, which made the autohelm a necessity but anchoring with sails up to go below to the radio would be unwise to say the least! Reflecting on that makes me question whether it really is that crazy - in calm waters with no traffic - to pop down below (briefly) while underway with the autohelm operating.
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12-01-2013, 07:38 AM
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Guru
City: St. Petersburg, Florida
Vessel Name: M/V Sherpa
Vessel Model: 24' Vashon Diesel Cruiser
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 598
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We occasionally make long trips and autopilot would be nice. I was considering the Raymarine SPX-5R, which can handle "hydraulic steered boats up to 7,000 lbs" up to 30'. The unit can be set/configured for full displacement boats. Unfortunately, I am about 1000+ pounds over the limit--would have been a nice option.
Raymarine SPX-5R Helm Mount Fixed Pilot
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12-01-2013, 08:30 AM
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Senior Member
City: Sharbot Lake
Vessel Name: Manatee
Vessel Model: 1976 Albin 25 DeLuxe
Join Date: May 2013
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The West Marine catalogue rates it for 7700 lbs.
Maybe a mistake?
Link isn't showing on my screen. ??
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12-01-2013, 09:34 AM
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Guru
City: St. Petersburg, Florida
Vessel Name: M/V Sherpa
Vessel Model: 24' Vashon Diesel Cruiser
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 598
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunset
The West Marine catalogue rates it for 7700 lbs.
Maybe a mistake?
Link isn't showing on my screen. ??
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Here are the specs from Raymarine: - Mechanical steered boats – up to 4,400 lbs (2,000 kg)
- Hydraulic steered boats – up to 7,000 lbs (3,181 kg)
Not sure why the link isn't working: Raymarine SPX-5R Helm Mount Fixed Pilot
Go to Raymarine's website and search for Raymarine SPX-5R Helm Mount Fixed Pilot. You can read the installation and operation manual, which are in pdf format.
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12-01-2013, 09:37 AM
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Guru
City: St. Petersburg, Florida
Vessel Name: M/V Sherpa
Vessel Model: 24' Vashon Diesel Cruiser
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 598
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It appears Raymarine cites a different figure on another portion of their website:
This is from their spec page:
Mechanical: 4400lbs (2000kg)
Hydraulic: 7700lbs (3500kg)
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