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Old 01-05-2011, 12:55 PM   #1
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Recommendations for a new windlass

We have recently purchased a 42' 1984 Present Sundeck Trawler-- missing entirely its windlass.*In my former sailing life on a 45' yawl, with several ocean crossings and many nights at anchor in foreign ports in my past, I am inclined to want to use all chain with whatever new windlass we end up with, but, again, I am hoping the trawler experts can offer some experienced suggestions. The boat is currently in*St. Marks, FL, 6 miles upriver from the Gulf of Mexico*but it looks like we will be bringing it to Mystic, CT this summer. Thanks for any and all advice!*
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Old 01-05-2011, 02:03 PM   #2
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Recommendations for a new windlass

When the big no-name windlass that came on our boat sheared a couple of gear teeth (with no significant strain on the windlass at the time) we did a lot of research into what to replace it with. We kept coming back to Lofrans, which, while expensive, is the standard windlass installed at the factory on boats like Grand Banks and Nordic Tugs. The model best suited for our size of boat is the Tigres.

With help from a retired marine engineer on our dock we did the installation ourselves using the same basic mount and wiring as the original windlass. If one wants or needs a horizontal-drum, above-deck windlass with a chain wildcat on one side and a line gypsy on the other, I think it's pretty hard to beat a Lofrans. They also make other configurations of windlass but the horizontal models are the only ones we looked into.

First two shots are of the boat's original windlass, last shot is the Lofrans Tigres.* The Tigres was often standard issue on GB42s.* GBs larger than 42' use the Lofrans one size larger-- I don't remember the model name.



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RE: Recommendations for a new windlass

We have the same windlass marin has. ROCK solid and very beefy though definitely not cheap! Ours was on the boat when I bought it.
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Old 01-05-2011, 03:04 PM   #4
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Wow! Thanks for the prompt replies! As an English teacher determined to overcome my (natural or, I think now, nurtured)*mechanical dyslexia in*service to my "new" trawler, I am thrilled to have found such*a valuable*resource...So there is no very cheap way to end up with a worthy windlass?...what a surprise. I teach*at a college several miles from*the Defender outlet, which currently has a Lewmar Pro Series 1000H in their 4-days-left clearance sale for $776. Not going to do it, huh?*Bracing for the lecture...
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I'd do it! Sure, there are more expensive windlasses out there, I have one, but I don't see how you can go wrong at this point in time. (better price than I saw on the Internet.)
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Old 01-05-2011, 04:35 PM   #6
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RE: Recommendations for a new windlass

The first thing I think you need to do is figure out what type of windlass you want or need. Horizontal drum, under-deck motor, vertical drum, etc. Once you've got that figured out then your search will be somewhat narrowed.

Then you need to figure out how much you'll be using the windlass. Are you going to be anchoring out a lot, some, very little? The amount of use and the type of use will help dictate just how beefy, fast, etc. a windlass you'll need.
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RE: Recommendations for a new windlass

Mary,

I installed a Lewmar Pro Series 1000 on our boat in 2006 and have been very pleased with it. BUT....check the Lewmar website (www.lewmar.com) and you will see the 1000 is recommended for boats up to 38'. Looks like you have a 42' sundeck so I would bet the Lewmar 1000 would be marginal for that size and weight of boat.

Also, as has been discussed at lenght on this site, always use a snubber line to secure the anchor chain to one or two cleats on the bow. You don't want the windlass taking the stress and strain of the anchor and rode. My boat is 33' on the deck and weighs only about 13,000 lbs so she's light weight. The Pro Series 1000 has worked well for our smaller boat.
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The [Lofrans]*Tigres was often standard issue on GB42s.* GBs larger than 42' use the Lofrans one size larger-- I don't remember the model name.


FWIW, the Lofrans horizontal windlass recommended for boats 45' to 70' is the Falkon.

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Old 01-05-2011, 06:59 PM   #9
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I love my Ideal and would replace it with same, except it'll probably outlive me!
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Old 01-05-2011, 07:13 PM   #10
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Okay, I will be measured--and measuring. We anchored out a lot with the sailboat, but am guessing it will be less with the trawler. Also, I am used to the vertical windlass because of the sailboat (a 1972 Fastnet 45), so I don't have experience with the more limited angling of a horizontal setup. When the thunderstorms stop tomorrow, armed with all your suggestions, I will do some more recon on what appears to have been there, exactly what I have in terms of chain, where the existing holes are (centered or off centered)...and start looking for an adjunct position for the windlass savings account! I'll be back with more educated questions in a day or two. Thanks again!
PS, The ads for the Lewmar 1000H I looked at said for boats from 30 something up to 45 ft.--I did find that questionable. Maybe for a VERY light displacement 45?
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RE: Recommendations for a new windlass

How on earth would a windlass know how long a boat is? Would not displacement and length/size/weight of chain/anchor be more a better measurement for sizing a windlass? I can show you 44's that weight the same as some 25's (ok, maybe an exaggeration but you get the idea).
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How on earth would a windlass know how long a boat is? Would not displacement and length/size/weight of chain/anchor be more a better measurement for sizing a windlass?
Yes, but......** Many, maybe most, boaters don't make the effort or take the time or bother to learn how to apply these factors to their buying decisions.* The simpler the decision process, the greater the volume of sales will be.* Everyone knows how long their boat is.* I would wager a lot of boaters don't know how much their boat weighs.

So you relate everything to boat length.* The typical boater can deal with a chart that says for this length of boat, buy---

This weight of anchor.
This size of anchor chain.
THis size of shackle.
This size of swivel (if they succumb to the hype that swivels are Good and*the more expensive the better ).
This size of windlass.

Start throwing things like boat weight, windage, wind strengths, current strengths, bottom characteristics, battery capacities, cable run lengths, alternator capacities, and so on into the mix and the average boater isn't going to have a clue, and worse, probably won't buy your product because you've made it too hard to figure out the right answer.

So keep it simple and make a sale.
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Recommendations for a new windlass

Mike,
"Do you really believe that? 20 to 38 ft? The same windlass?"
I'm quite sure they mean the range presented would cover all extremes. If you had a VERY heavy 20' boat w lots of wind-age, 100% chain of over sized links, a huge Bruce anchor with intent to anchor in exposed places w a rocky lee shore. Then think of the opposite scenario for 38' and the 20 to 38' range becomes valid. If you've got average everything your'e good to go w a 29 footer.
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If you can easily afford it I don't see how you could go wrong w Marin's Tigress.

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RE: Recommendations for a new windlass

I went KISS & old school and found myself a nice (manual) Simpson-Lawrence 555 Sea Tiger.* Super easy to install and works great.* The hardest part was finding one!

I figured that if it's simple & reliable enough for the cruisers who go off the grid, it's good enough for me.
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I am very happy with the Lofrans Tigres installed last year.
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www.lighthouse-mfg-usa.com/ for the really deep pocket folk.
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Geez, I feel left out. My Maxwell has worked well and is used by many blue water boat builders. *Just asking---------------
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We have a Lighthouse 1501 windlass.* They are bullet proof but have*a slow retrival speed at 37 fpm.
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Baltimore,
How does the Sea Tiger work? Vertical, horizontal, hand crank*** What?
Have you got pics? I'll look on the web.

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Baltimore,
How does the Sea Tiger work? Vertical, horizontal, hand crank*** What?
Have you got pics? I'll look on the web.

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Eric:

The SL555 is a horizontal, dual-action hand crank unit.* Attached is a pic off the web, I don't have one handy of the installation on my boat. As I mentioned it isn't hi-tech, but it does have a reputation of being bulletproof.

They are out of production and difficult to find, but a Google Alert search turned one up after about 6 months.* There's a guy (in Scotland I think) who has a business providing parts and advice that sent some documentation to me.

http://www.slspares.co.uk/parts.php?...r+555+Windlass


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