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06-14-2019, 05:14 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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One Head or Two for 45' or less Boats?
So I'm looking at the website for the new Nordhavn 41. It has one head. My Cherubini 45 has one full and one half. While there are many 2 and 3 stateroom boats that sleep a dozen including 2 on the dining table, that need 2 full heads, how many do you need for a 1 or 2 staterooms forward boat? More may be better, but I keep viewing my master stateroom half head, and wonder how awesome a closet I could make out of it. It's not going to happen, but I'm curious what you think about more storage or more head.
Ted
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I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
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"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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06-14-2019, 05:40 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Portland
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 40 Sport Sedan
Join Date: Aug 2016
Posts: 55
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I have 40' sport fish sedan with a single head for the two forward berths. I wouldn't want another one. In addition to loss of usable space, it's an additional maintenance item (and a gross one at that).
I think layout has as much to do with it as anything else. Some of the layouts with the master at stern and a v-berth seem to make more sense having two heads.
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06-14-2019, 05:49 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Having just had a toilet shit itself last week I was grateful for the second one being available while I waited a week for parts to arrive.
All up and running again.
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06-14-2019, 06:00 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Simi 60
Having just had a toilet shit itself last week I was grateful for the second one being available while I waited a week for parts to arrive.
All up and running again.
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As with a single engine boat, I would expect to have every part that can break or wear out, in the spares department on the boat. For most heads, that would be about 2 shoeboxes worth of space.
Ted
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Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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06-14-2019, 06:22 PM
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Guru
City: Looking
Vessel Name: --
Vessel Model: Between boats
Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 1,190
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Master and second stateroom on SCOUT. One head. Already a TON of storage, but I wouldn't give up any of it for another head.
I have the two shoeboxes worth of spares.....
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06-14-2019, 07:05 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 21,185
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We have 2 staterooms and 2 heads. We want both of each. There are times even with just the 2 of us that we use both heads. 95% of the time we only use the aft head if it is just us, but there are times when things get urgent that we do use both heads. When we have guests both heads get used.
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06-14-2019, 07:06 PM
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Guru
City: Queensland
Vessel Model: Milkraft 60 converted timber prawn trawler
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 5,482
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
As with a single engine boat, I would expect to have every part that can break or wear out, in the spares department on the boat. For most heads, that would be about 2 shoeboxes worth of space.
Ted
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Slowly getting there,
Plenty of spares for engine, genset , electronics
I have a second toilet as a spare but, now I also have a box full of bits x 2 for them as well.
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06-14-2019, 07:17 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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1.5. I simply think having the second sink and toilet is worth it. One shower is livable.
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06-14-2019, 07:25 PM
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Guru
City: Cary NC
Vessel Name: Skinny Dippin'
Vessel Model: Navigator 42'
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 800
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Our last boat was one stateroom, convertible dinette, one bath. One of the reasons for upgrading was to have real guest space. Now we have two staterooms with private ensuite baths. Do we have guests often enough to need it? Not at all.....but when we do.....it’s really nice to not share the head. Hindsight being 20/20, we should have made one of the heads composting when we replaced them both two years ago.....but we didn’t know then what we know now.
Bottom line.....to me...two is better than one.
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06-14-2019, 07:26 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
We have 2 staterooms and 2 heads. We want both of each. There are times even with just the 2 of us that we use both heads. 95% of the time we only use the aft head if it is just us, but there are times when things get urgent that we do use both heads. When we have guests both heads get used.
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Certainly in a fore and aft cabin boat, one head is probably not realistic if you have to go during the night.
Ted
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Blog: mvslowhand.com
I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
"Slow Hand" by The Pointer Sisters
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06-14-2019, 07:33 PM
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Guru
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,742
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Two staterooms and two heads . . . plus acres of storage. (Thank you, Art.). Would not change this.
When we replaced the heads, we plumbed the master stateroom to a Purasan—not to a holding tank. This saved a long hose run to the forward holding tank, greatly reduced pump outs and is legal in most of the areas we boat in. When we’re in non-discharge areas, the forward head is still plumbed to the holding tank.
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06-14-2019, 08:01 PM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 28,147
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Liveaboard like 2 heads, when one is broke and you gotta go.
Heads candy have. A lot if storage space and still be a functional head.
Everything on smaller boats is a trade-off. .. I am keeping a second head which is neither a lot more work or gross.
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06-14-2019, 08:03 PM
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Guru
City: Cape May, NJ
Vessel Name: Irish Lady
Vessel Model: Monk 36
Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 4,964
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Two. We have been through multiple head failures and would not have less. One new electric and one nearly new manual. No working head is a cruise stopper. Granted we could all use a bucket as last resort but who want to depend on that plan.
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06-14-2019, 08:28 PM
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Guru
City: Seattle
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 3,312
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Blessed art thou with an RV head in thy boat - one is all you need!
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06-14-2019, 09:08 PM
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Guru
City: Owings, Md
Vessel Name: Graceland
Vessel Model: Mainship 34 MK1
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,381
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It is interesting to compare to earth dwellings. It would be difficult to imagine a 500 sf apartment with two bathrooms but many 40'-50' boats have two heads. People are shy about using the head, personally I feel that adults should recognize that everybody poops. Having a well maintained head with adequate spares to keep thing running is my preference but I can understand others wanting some privacy and reserve the reserve capacity of a second head. Every boat is a compromise and personal values are important to consider.
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06-14-2019, 09:15 PM
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,610
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I think this one comes down to personal preference, and boat useage. If you are a solo cruiser 90% of the time, with occaisional significant other accompanyment, a single is probably fine. If you are usually a couple and have other couples along on a regular basis, two would be better. If you are 5 twenty something, beer drinking guys doing day trips.....a bucket might be sufficient ( just in case both scuppers are occupied )
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06-14-2019, 09:57 PM
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Guru
City: Mississippi
Vessel Name: ADAGIO
Vessel Model: CHB Present 42 Sundeck
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 920
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Two staterooms (plus dinette that makes a dbl) and two heads with seperate showers- and they all are getting used Has the orig Galley Maid toilets with huge pumps and tons of lines, and uses lots of water - all coming out soon to be replaced with Raritan Marine Elegance per advice of the Head Mistress.
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06-14-2019, 11:20 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Our last 40’ sailboat had two cabins, two wheels, and two heads. We did have one occasion when one head failed and we were glad we had the second. However, when I replaced the failed head with one with a decent design, we never worried about failure again.
My current 43’ trawler has two cabins, two helm stations, and only 1 head. I don’t miss the second head. I’m much happier having the extra space than having precious boat real estate taken up with a head. Granted, the most we have had on the boat for an extended period was 5 adults.
My “if I only could afford a new boat it would be....” boat is the North Pacific 45. This is offered with several layouts. At least one has a separate head in the master cabin. I would NOT select this layout. It sacrifices storage just for another place to relieve yourself and brush your teeth. Even though I’m old and have a prostate the size of a grapefruit, I don’t spend enough time in the head to make it worth the space.
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06-15-2019, 06:58 AM
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Guru
City: Alexandria, VA
Vessel Model: 2000 Wellcraft
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 1,467
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Our last boat and our present boat (both 42') both had two heads. Having a spare is really nice when something goes wrong. I wouldn't want to cruise with just one again unless I was soloing it. It's possible for sure, but it sure takes a lot of stress out to have two, especially with guests aboard.
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06-15-2019, 08:38 AM
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Senior Member
City: Charleston
Vessel Name: THIRD CHILD
Vessel Model: KADEY KROGEN 48AE
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 114
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The second head on our boat is wonderful marital stress reliever- even with infrequent synchronous use of both. If you have a second person, i.e. spouse, on the boat, living aboard for even a few days at a time, I would go with their preference.
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