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Old 06-09-2011, 04:49 PM   #1
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I'm so excited, one of my new heads came today and the other is scheduled to arrive tomorrow.* We are switching from Jabsco raw water electric heads to Raritan Sea Era freshwater electric heads.*

Now... to figure out all the extra pieces and parts I need for this project...

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Old 06-09-2011, 06:08 PM   #2
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I replaced one of my Jasco heads with a Sea Era...easy job, you won't be sorry.

Hard part was to change the exit hose arangement so it made better sense, ie straighter run, more downhill angle, etc.

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Hi Peggy, what is your recommended method (to avoid contamination) of using the main water tank as the source of fresh water for the flush?
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Old 06-12-2011, 05:58 AM   #5
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recommended method (to avoid contamination) of using the main water tank as the source of fresh water for the flush?

Plumbing supply "vacume breaker" .

The solenoid can nor be relied on.
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Old 06-12-2011, 08:24 AM   #6
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FF, the vacuum break comes with the Sea Era package so it's easy to get right.
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...and I thought I was the only one excited about a new head!! I'm very pleased with the quiet operation and efficient flushing/low water use.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i...0000001590.pdf

I just finished installing me new Jabsco Quiet-flush head. It went a lot smoother than I anticipated. Heating the sanitation hose ends for 30-60 secs with a heat gun on high made it easy to seat the hoses.

Let us know how it goes!!


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Oh my gosh I am ESTATIC!!!* The new aft*head is*in and the forward one will be a little more work next weekend.* We have to go back to West Marine for hose clamps--we had a TON on the boat so did not buy any, but we only had four tiny ones for the old poly whatever water tubing and we broke one, so back to the store.* This project was SUPER easy and not really that gross considering what you are dealing with.* Much better than replacing the holding tank, which was not really that bad ethier.* The flush is much queiter and the god awful stink is GONE!!!* Check out my blog for photos and details.* pineapple-girl.blogspot.com

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Oh my gosh I am ESTATIC!!!**
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******** Great job and I see you even have room for a reading light & magazine rack!
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Old 06-12-2011, 09:47 PM   #10
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Hey Superdiver, judging from our experience that is ID and will work with your through hull.*

I really cannot even tell you what a difference this has made in the odor.**Peggy Hall*has lots of ideas to reduce the odor short of installing fresh water heads but*we decided to go all out.* They were less than $500 a piece and the sundry supplies we needed for both was maybe $100.* Money well spent, IMO.*
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Looks great, Jennifer! Isn't it great when a plan comes together? Looks like you're getting closer to being ready for your delta trip. Loved reading your blog.

Hope to see you in the neighborhood!!
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thanks Al!* We will look for you while we are in the Delta!* Have you eaten at the Riverboat since it opened for the season?* they said it was a new chef this year??
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Yes, we ate there on the first night that Joe and Kim took over. They also run Happy Harbor down the road and have the best food in the delta at the best price. We've been eating there for years and have never been disappointed. Now they're here at our own marina, so we're thrilled. (There goes my diet.)

Here is their menu: http://mooresriverboat.com/uploads/menu1.pdf The $20 Ribeye/Lobster tail special used to be on Friday nights. It looks like they're changing it to Thurs, but their phone message still states Friday.
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Yes, we ate there on the first night that Joe and Kim took over. They also run Happy Harbor down the road and have the best food in the delta at the best price. We've been eating there for years and have never been disappointed. Now they're here at our own marina, so we're thrilled. (There goes my diet.)

Here is their menu: http://mooresriverboat.com/uploads/menu1.pdf The $20 Ribeye/Lobster tail special used to be on Friday nights. It looks like they're changing it to Thurs, but their phone message still states Friday.

*oh yum I cannot wait!!!*
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Hi Peggy, what is your recommended method (to avoid contamination) of using the main water tank as the source of fresh water for the flush?
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*Replace the toilet with one that's designed to use pressurized fresh water.* "Converting" a sea water toilet to draw flush water from the potable water supply is an unacceptable risk IMO.


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FF, the vacuum break comes with the Sea Era package so it's easy to get right.
Not only the vacuum breaker, but a good bit more that's needed to fully protect the potable water supply from contamination.

This illustrates why I consider "converting" sea water toilets to draw of the potable water supply to be a bad idea...too many people think it's only necessary to install the gadgets that make it work, ignoring additional parts that are needed for protection.

Fred apparently hasn't figured out yet that there's more than one type of solenoid valve too...the kind that goes in a vented loop in the intake line of a sea water electric toilet...and the kind that goes in the toilet intake line to control the flow of pressurized fresh water.* Neither one have anything to do with protecting the potable water supply, so I don't know what he could mean by "solenoid isn't reliable."
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the top half of my toilet is above the water line and the bottom is below the water line. So I am assuming this would make it a "below" the water line toilet. Is that correct?


Yes...install the loop.

Also, the diagram shows a solinoid device at the top of the vented loop wired to the flush button... but I dont see what it is called in the manual? and no other specifications for it. What is it and what is it called?

It's called a solenoid valve. It's the electric version of an air valve in a vented loop. It's wired to the flush button...pushing the button closes it to allow the toilet to prime/bring in flush water, releasing the flush button lets it open again to break the siphon started by priming the toilet pump.** Jabsco seems to be the only source for it...part # is* 37068-2000.

You only need the solenoid valve if your toilet is NOT one that has a short hose to connect the pump ("lower unit") to the bowl...leaving you no choice but to put the vented loop in the intake line between the thru-hull and the pump. If you can install it between the pump and the bowl, a regular air valve will work.
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It DOES have the short hose from the base to the bowl. Last time we talked you suggested putting the vented loop in that short hose area, between the base and the bowl. Am I remembering correctly?
*Yes.** When it's installed between the pump and the bowl, it can't interfere with the toilet's ability to prime. You will need an air valve in it, though because it'll squirt without one.* Do NOT put a hose on it instead! A hose would have to be so small (only 1/4") that salt and sea water minerals will clog it in a matter of days...turning the vented loop into an UNvented loop.*

Btw...intake vented loops are only needed with sea water toilets...not necessary on toilets that use pressurized flush water.
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OK, so a vented loop goes between the base and the bowl where the short 3/4 inch hose which comes with the toilet goes. And NOT in the section between the intake thru hull and base of the toilet?

Correct.

What are you referring to when you say "Do NOT put a hose on it instead!

Do not put a vent hose on the nipple on top of the vented loop instead of an air valve. The air valve only allows air to be pulled INTO a line to break a siphon...doesn't allow anything out.* But when a vented loop is in a line through water is being pushed, water (or waste, if it's in a discharge line), water will squirt out the hole in the nipple if the air valve is missing.* A lot of people make the mistake of putting a hose on the nipple to cure the squirt instead of putting the air valve in it. That's a bad idea, because that tiny li'l hose gets clogged with salt and sea water minerals almost immediately, turning the vented loop into an UNvernted loop that no longer has any ability to break a siphon. Because it's cured the problem--squirting--it's become "out of sight, out of mind," so the nipple and hose are never cleaned...so whatever luck prevents a siphon from starting is the only thing protecting the boat. If you're gonna do that, save your money and don't bother to install the vented loop.

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if you put a vented loop between the base of the toilet and the bowl, you dont need one on the intake line befor it gets to the bowl do you?
*If you mean, "before it gets to the PUMP," that's correct.* A vented loop between the thru-hull and the pump will pull in air that prevents the intake pump from priming.
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