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Old 09-13-2011, 09:51 PM   #1
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Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

What are the pluses and minus of a diesel cookstove?
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Old 09-14-2011, 04:17 AM   #2
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

The big plus is the cool cold season.

Cool water cruising to winter live aboard HEAT is a delight to have.

Also great is HEAT with no electric draw , so a week on the hook , when its cold out and you OWN the area is also great!

Downside is mid summer when all you want is a cup of coffee.

For most folks a small camping 2 burner propane stove on top of the range solves the problem.

In NYC (22+years living aboard) the water warms up very slowly , so even in late April it may be 65 in daytime and 50 at night , the water temp.

The heat stays ON and closing a hatch is all that is required to be comfortable.

Also there is almost nothing to brake or have to repair.

Take a look at an Espar or Webasto truck heaters , and decide how much you will enjoy trouble shooting and importing repair parts some cold night.

IF a cruising boat is small enough to be heated by a range and perhaps a small second unit , to me its the ONLY choice.
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Old 09-14-2011, 06:05 AM   #3
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

I remember from my sailing days in the UK that diesel stoves took a long time to light, thus inconvenient for a quick "cuppa". Kerosene cooking stoves were quicker to start and quite common - basically a kerosene camping stove with a remote pressure tank. I had a Taylor's diesel stove on my sailboat back in the late 70's - a PITA to start, but then burned diesel with a blue flame.
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

I use to fish on*boat that had a diesel stove and as FF says the heat was nice.* The top of the boat deck was always dirty though from the the flue.* It looked the stove.oven ran*clean but in the winter, with the rain, there was always some soot and black streaks.***

All diesel stoves have to vented over the side even the new Wallas stoves so mounting can be an issue.

Why a diesel stove?
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

I have a Dickinson Bristol and I love it.

A little fiddley to light but once it gets going the dry heat is perfect. Cozy and warm. Of course I live in Alaska. Warm is good

The only issue is lack of circulation. I need a fan to move the air around, as when it is below zero the floor never quite gets warm.

I have*also installed an Espar D5 forced air. Now I heat mostly with the Dickenson and supplement with the Espar.

What I like most about it is the lack of technology. I use a gravity feed so no pumps or pressure the fuel just trickles in. You have to adjust it to the type of fuel you burn #1 or #2. Once adjusted the thing really cooks.

I get more soot from the dry stack on my cat 3208 than the stove puts out so not an issue.

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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

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I use to fish on*boat that had a diesel stove and as FF says the heat was nice.* The top of the boat deck was always dirty though from the the flue.* It looked the stove.oven ran*clean but in the winter, with the rain, there was always some soot and black streaks.***

All diesel stoves have to vented over the side even the new Wallas stoves so mounting can be an issue.

Why a diesel stove?
I had a big cast iron stove on my 1951 Stephens, and you're right, it was always getting things dirty.* It took forever to heat up, and put a lot of heat into the cabin, even when you didn't want it -- like in summer.* It was indestructable though.

My sailboat had the Wallace stove.* It wasn't that fast at heating up, and the blower lid used to turn the stove into a heater was too noisy, so I only used it to take the chill off in the morning.* The stove was very sensitive to battery voltage and sometimes wouldn't start.* It would then have to go through a long cool-down cycle before it would allow you to restart it.* My biggest problem with Wallace is the dealer.* There's only one, Scanmarine, and we didn't get along.* It cost me over $800 for service, and I just took it in for a cleaning.* They wanted to replace every part and told me that I should expect to pay 10% of the cost of the stove in maintenance every year.
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Old 09-14-2011, 08:55 PM   #7
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

Why a diesel? We are thinking of having a boat built and we don't plan on a genset for an electric and to avoid the added complexity of propane. Plus it would be nice to have a dry heat vs a moisture laden propane oven
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Old 09-15-2011, 05:01 AM   #8
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Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

"avoid the added complexity of propane. Plus it would be nice to have a dry heat vs a moisture laden propane oven'

Quite correct that an unvented propane anything adds loads of water to the air.

But venting a range with a hood is hardly a big challenge.

We use double gymboled Kero Primus on our 90/90 and a vented* range hood there is a delight in summer , where any heat is best vented.

Unfortunatly it does require 1/4amp of 12V , to operate .

By "avoiding" propane you are perhaps avoiding the easiest and best method of having a reefer on a cruiser.

Propane , a 20lb bottle can run a full sized fridge/freezer for over a month , SILENTLY!!! and cheaply.

The challenge is usually retrofitting a great system into a boat made for house stuff, that has no venting.

With a clean sheet it is easy to create a safe , silent reefer setup that works well.

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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

Willy that's basically where we are. Wanted the Dickinson but knew it would put out too much heat most of the time. Chris really loves the new propane cooking stove/oven. We have Wabasto air heat. Like the thermostat control for overnight and during the day we set it and basically forget we have heat. It's just the right temperature all the time except when we step out on deck and think Hmmm that's right we've got the heat on. Don't think I can improve on that except the Wabasto seems to loose it's prime and needs to be primed (push a button on the control box) after it's sat for two weeks or so. Once it's going again it cycles and otherwise works flawlessly. I still have'nt installed my Sigmar bulkhead diesel heater. Want 3 sources of heat here in Alaska.
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

I don't think I would ever want anything but propane for cooking, but I must say for heating, which we don't need in our part of the world, I was most impressed with the modest diesel furnace they had set up in the narrow canal boat we hired and enjoyed a week in in the UK in May. The mornings were still quite fresh, to say the least, and it was neat to be able to just ease out of the bunk, pull on a throttle shaped lever on the rear bulkhead, wait until one heard a hissing, furnace type noise, then head back to the sack. In no time water-filled radiators throughout the vessel were warming, and it heated the domestic water as well, in addition to the engine heat exchanger on the move. Great set-up. But even on that boat, cooking was by nice modern propane 4 ring stove/oven.
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

But even on that boat, cooking was by nice modern propane 4 ring stove/oven.

Sure but they called it the HOB!
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Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

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But even on that boat, cooking was by nice modern propane 4 ring stove/oven.

Sure but they called it the HOB!
*No, never heard that word used the whole 6 weeks we were in the UK - I think they've moved on a bit.* TV, the universal educator I guess.* Had someone over here the other day bitching about how the US was ruining our language and since when did we call tomato sauce, ketchup...?* Get over it I say....


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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

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FF wrote:
But even on that boat, cooking was by nice modern propane 4 ring stove/oven.

Sure but they called it the HOB!
*No, never heard that word used the whole 6 weeks we were in the UK - I think they've moved on a bit.* TV, the universal educator I guess.* Had someone over here the other day bitching about how the US was ruining our language and since when did we call tomato sauce, ketchup...?* Get over it I say....


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Peter

I'm LMAO!! Last fall, I was in Lagos, Portugal for three week and found a family run small cafe that had an excellent lunch, so I ate there nearly every day. Each day the owner would proudly set a bottle of ketchup on my table, which I didn't touch. One day he asked me why I didn't like their ketchup? I said I hadn't tried it yet. He said, I thought Americans ate ketchup on everything? I asked him why he thought that? Apparently, they get a lot of American programing on TV!

TV the great educator!!!
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

Yes, clearly a certain amount of internal mental and auditory processing needs to be done - a wordy way of saying taking some things "with a grain of salt". Otherwise we might have all ended up thinking the average US male was a mix of Archie Bunker, Homer Simpson, Seinfeld, and Ben Stiller. Of course it cuts both ways, and we are not all croc wrestling, macho males, flashing "real knives", and even the bit of essential Aussie education Hoges gave you all about throwing shrimps on barbies contained a small but important error, in that we call them prawns....so there yuh go...
None of which as a darned thing to do with "other trawler systems", sorry....but a laugh is always good, and things have got a bit too politically heated lately on OTDE, and not being hugely au fait with US politics I feel a bit out of it over there.
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One of the American products frequently seen in European grocery stores is Heinz ketchup.
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and even the bit of essential Aussie education Hoges gave you all about throwing shrimps on barbies contained a small but important error, in that we call them prawns.......................

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Yes. . . Some tense personalities here and there.

Ps: We call them prawns too. Shrimp would fall through the grate and end up on the fire!**


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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

The only downside I can see to the diesel cook stove is still needing a separate way to heat hot water. We could use a coil on the stove, but that would men heating up the cabin trying to make hot water for a shower.

So it still looks like three systems, cookstove, main engine and probably an ITR combi heater for hot water, heat and engine preheat.

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One of the American products frequently seen in European grocery stores is Heinz ketchup.
Recovering from stomach flu, I spent several days in bed watching info-mercials on TV, anything to pass the time. *One of the shows that was at least somewhat interesting was a history of Heinz Corp. *Did you know they have been a world producer since the early 1900's and produce over 5700 different products. *Many of those products we don't have here in the states and wouldn't recognize? *One of the exceptions is Heinz ketchup, which is bottled and marketed throughout the world under that name.

Damn. . . I'll bet you always wanted to know that? * *
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RE: Pros and cons of a diesel cook stove?

One more follow up question:

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Using a diesel stove for cooking and heat sounds great.* What do we do for hot water?* I don't want to "cook" ourselves out in the summer trying to take a shower...and I am trying to simplify systems to the extreme..
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*What do we do for hot water?* I don't want to "cook" ourselves out in the summer trying to take a shower...
*What I have done on long trips for showering is quite simple.******************************** Heat up a gal or so of hot water and add a few drops of Ivory Liquid or some other gentle dish washing soap. Mix it up and put it in*a 1 or 2 gal. bug sprayer.*Pump it up and spray to your hearts content. When the gal of soapy water is used up add some*fresh hot water to the sprayer but this time use only clean water with no soap and rinse yourself off.

This comes in handy when traveling and you want to 'meter' your water useage. Just figure on 2 gals / shower. I have only done this when on the go. I don't see why you couldnt do it at the dock.
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