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Old 10-01-2013, 08:07 PM   #21
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Ksanders- I see you are in Seward, do you have a service center for your Wallas there or in Anchorage? Your attitude towards these units would indicate servicing is a fairly easy project. If you read ff's post on the older units and from conversations read on other sites where Espar are the subject, servicing seems to be a challenge to a nimrod's knowledge. With these older units all sorts of bogyman issues arise. That has me concerned with investing and being far away from service center.
As to mounting discussion, thanks, fortunately even though the boat is a small craft, the current Espar unit has sufficient room to maneuver about. It is hung on the overhead of the cabin deck and one would assume except for ducting size, everything would be fairly straight forward to install.
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:27 AM   #22
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As aside to this discussion, seeing the size and configuration of the Wallas D30 brought to mind that several years ago, Toyotomi stove had brought a marine model to the market. They sold like hot cakes here in Southeast. Then as though a light bulb burnt out, they were taken off the market. I mean off the North American market and right now!
Having seen the installations on several boats in our size rig, I would jump on one of those as there is a local dealer.
So, in the interest of inquiry sent the following to the Toyotomi American site:


"Could one receive the marketing reason that marine TOYO stove was discontinued to the North American market?

Never heard a bad word on the units, and dealers can not give a response that makes economic sense.
Ever person who had (As parts are not available changing out) one swore by them not at them.

My home is heated by laser 73, our guest home is heated by the next smaller size. In over 20 years, has to be that long, the 73 has cost no more that a couple of thousand in shop time.

Hence the question on the marine heater.
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Several years ago as I was trying to solidify how I was going to build my business I opened up a marine heater business line. We were a Toyotomi marine dealer. I went to Toyotomi repair class as part of the dealer certification process.

The Toyotomi marine heater is a great unit, just like their home heaters. I sold dozens of them, and installed a few. I also acted as a repair center for them, and If memory serves correctly I probably even have a test bed to test them in my shop somewhere.

The only issue with the toyotomi marine units was, like their land cousins the simple fact that #2 diesel will coke them up pretty quickly. We had great success with them on smaller gas boats where the diesel tank was for the heater only. Then the owner could use #1 diesel or kerosene in them.

Put them in a larger boat burning #2 diesel and you'd have to tear them down once a season or so.

The Wallas is similar to the Toyotomi in that its a drip pot system with an air feed to keep things efficient. I'm not sure what Wallas did to keep their drip pot system from coking up on #2 diesel but they did a good job of it. This is in contrast to the Webasto, and Espar units which are a gun system with an air stream, much like a oil fired furnace or hot water heater.

The Toyototomi would cycle on and off, and adjust the burner rate to one of three output levels. Thats a very nice feature.

The newer Wallas controller is a bit different. It will infinitly adjust the burner rate to keep the temperature at the desired setpoint. The only caveat of that is that the minimum output is about 3100 BTU/HR.
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Old 10-02-2013, 12:55 AM   #23
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Great bit of Toyo information.
Yes, the #2 was an issue down here as well. As you indicated, and true here, the installations were in small gas pots for the most. There are a couple still running, and our local dealer has some parts, no mother boards so the runners are doomed.

It is being understood that the Wallas as these style units go, are the simplest and trouble free over all the others? Would a gravity feed work? Or do they require a pressure flow?
A small #1 fuel gravity flow tank on the house top will work for the Dickinson wall mount, were that the direction.

Still, do you know the reasoning behind the Toyo pull out of North America?
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Great bit of Toyo information.
Yes, the #2 was an issue down here as well. As you indicated, and true here, the installations were in small gas pots for the most. There are a couple still running, and our local dealer has some parts, no mother boards so the runners are doomed.

It is being understood that the Wallas as these style units go, are the simplest and trouble free over all the others? Would a gravity feed work? Or do they require a pressure flow?
A small #1 fuel gravity flow tank on the house top will work for the Dickinson wall mount, were that the direction.

Still, do you know the reasoning behind the Toyo pull out of North America?
Al

I don't know that the wallas are any more simple and trouble free than say a espar unit. They just have different features. As far as simplicity, it's hard to get simpler than the Dickinson units. We were also a Dickinson dealer but not a repair center.

As far as to why toyotomi pulled out, it was strange. They didn't announce anything. We put in orders to rural energy, the regional distributor and they would try to get them out of Japan but the units would just never show up.

We left the marine business and all retail sales not much later and just let the dealerships go stale. More money in wholesale trade, and we decided to focus on our industrial electrical lines.
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Old 10-14-2013, 09:15 PM   #25
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Pau Hana & ksanders, plus the forum in general

Well boys, today I purchased a Wallas 30D from ScanMarine. Was comfortable with the amount of time Doug took to convince me the installation of the Wallas in place of the old Espar will be. On top of that he did not attempt to overload the extra required pieces to complete the installation.
We will be returning to Ketchikan next week and will begin the process of installation.
Thanks to the two of you and others on the forum that shared and encouraged this choice.
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Congrats! Bruce and Doug are top notch, and will walk you thru what you'll find is a very easy installation.
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Old 10-14-2013, 11:39 PM   #27
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Hummmmmm Peter-Doug seemed to smile whinct I mentioned the "Trawler forum". On commission here to?????? (Smile-Humor 8-)
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hehehehe.....nope, nothing here. Scan Marine and Anchor Marine shared neighboring offices for years....i know the former owners of the business....
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