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Old 03-27-2016, 02:43 PM   #1
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Planar heater

Just completed the installation of my 26000btu Planar Russian diesel heater 2 days ago. It went smoothly, install kit very complete with exception of expected custom parts such as exhaust tubing and need to extend included wiring looms. Is no noisier than other heaters and puts out great quantities of heat. I can feel the movement of air out of the registers unlike some heaters where you can feel warmth but only very slight air movement. Digital thermostat maintains desired temp. The only other heater with this level of BTU output is the Espar D8 at $6500 and is old school technology I am told. I paid approx 1/6th of that. I met the Northwest distributor who guarantees parts and service support. 2year no questions warranty. Well, so far I couldent be happier, of course time will tell the story. I'll report back periodically as to how its going.
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Old 03-27-2016, 03:06 PM   #2
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GOOD LUCK!

The Russians do know a bit about COLD!
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Old 03-27-2016, 06:27 PM   #3
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Here's a review of a Planar heater. Interesting product at a resonable price. Do you agree with the points made regarding the fuel pump clicking and lack of temp control at the low end?

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Ive only had the heater operational for 48 hours so my experience is limited. However, regarding the thermostat: on power mode it will provide adjustable output which you can control. There are 8 or so settings for this mode. The thermostat mode allows the heater to increase or decrease heat output depending on set temp. The heater does NOT cycle on and off to maintain constant temp. Superior to other heaters in my opinion. Re the clicking pump. Its mounted in the engine room under the salon sole. Havent heard it! Lovin it so far.
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He may be alluding to the same problem I had w the Wabasto. It worked fine adjusted to 60 degrees up but would run to maintain 60degrees as required all the time as temps went down lower. I was in Alaska at the time and wanted the Wabasto (WB) to come on in the mid 30's and turn off around 40 degrees. That way when the weather was in the teens I could leave the WB on and protect from freezing. It was'nt a WB problem but a thermostat problem ... control. I modified the mechanics of the thermostat (not the original from WB) to function the way I wanted. Recently I was at Sure Marine and they advised me the liquid mercury thermostat I was using was'nt suitable for marine use. Evidently they had a problem w movement and were only suitable for attachment to things that didn't move around. Was news to me. Never had a problem w it either after or before or I "fixed" it. We ran it a lot underway too. Until I have a problem I think I'll just run it. But it did have have the above limitation w the original WB thermostat and w the replacement too before it was "fixed". The thermostat now needs to be mounted about 30degrees to level to function properly. Looks funny but it works. Frequently my modifying things results in oddities but I've had very good luck.
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Old 03-27-2016, 08:57 PM   #6
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Who is the NW distributor? I look at the Planer hydronic heater and it looks like it could be a direct replacement for my D10 hydronic Espar and with a lot more features.
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[QUOTE=windmist;427953 it looks like it could be a direct replacement for my D10 hydronic Espar and with a lot more features.[/QUOTE]

Should you decide to replace your D10, I'd be interested in it.
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iirc, Webasto heaters can be setup a couple different ways. One way is that it will provide variable heat output by changing the amount of fuel the burner gets. The other way is to to simply cycle on and off. I chose the second route on my boat since I was told that the burners do better when running at full. The downside is that the boat has more drastic temperature swings when it is really cold outside, maybe 4 degrees at the worst. Not a hydronic system obviously.
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THe variable speed units will frequently be unhappy at low output.

Use kerosene instead of diesel,

or simply rig a timer to bypass the speed control rheostat for 5 min every 30 to operate on full.
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With my Espar D5l, if it has gone into the low and slow mode which it does if it is maintaining set temp, I normally crank up thermostat so that it will run on high for a few minutes before shutting down. Seems to extend life of glow pug and screen. Unit was troublesome prior to fixing electrical issue.
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THe variable speed units will frequently be unhappy at low output.

Use kerosene instead of diesel,

or simply rig a timer to bypass the speed control rheostat for 5 min every 30 to operate on full.
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I just converted to kerosene. Nice new aluminum furl tank and plumbing. Then I grabed (by mistake) a jug that had some anti-freeze in it. I'm in the process of taking the whole system apart for cleaning. Do'nt know if any AF got into the burner.
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THe variable speed units will frequently be unhappy at low output.

Use kerosene instead of diesel,

or simply rig a timer to bypass the speed control rheostat for 5 min every 30 to operate on full.
I really would hate to have to manage another fuel. Diesel is something that I always have (hopefully). I can deal with a bit of temperature variation in the boat when it is 30 degrees outside. The nice thing is that over 5 years, the Webasto AirTop has given me no issues and has kept me warm(ish).
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Dave,
How many hours on your 5year old?
Mine lasted a bit over 5 years and 800hrs.
Sure Marine was the source of my notion to change to kerosene. After looking at my Wabasto that would'nt start they recomended kero.
Yes we need to carry jugs of kero in the hold. That's where the gasoline is for the OB too. Dosn't sound ideal but we've never had leakage. Relatively constant temp and no sun helps a lot.
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Mine was purchased from Sure Marine and installed by a local guy who takes most of his advice from Sure (like most everyone here in the greater Seattle area). Not sure how many hours on the furnace.

Of course there was the one time that we accidentally left it on when leaving the boat with an almost full diesel tank. We were gone from the boat for a much longer period (it was in the winter) and when we got back, the diesel tank was empty. Only a 40 gallon tank but it was almost full. After putting 5 gallons of diesel in, both my engine and the Webasto self primed and fired right up. It would have been running for a lot of hours in that case.
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Yes we need to carry jugs of kero in the hold. That's where the gasoline is for the OB too.
Really? You carry gas inside the boat? Never had a leak? Well, you know what the farmer said when his cow died, Damn, she never did that before. A leak could happen at any time for any number of reasons. How about finding it a home outside, perhaps on top somewhere?
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I'm looking to install a heating system on my boat. I looked this over and I like it .
How many registers is it able to handle?
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Just a thought, The Russians are great at selling new stuff , not so great at parts .

Anyone that messed with Russian copies of BMWs knows what i mean.

If the unit works well for you , purchase the factory shop manual and parts book, and purchase a SECOND new unit .

When its killer cold, installing #2 will be faster than removing the unit , taking it down and ordering parts.

Having the stock parts numbers may allow the parts to come from Russia , should the current seller evaporate.

In the archives I gave some tips for Espar folks using truck heaters in their boat .
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Really? You carry gas inside the boat? Never had a leak? Well, you know what the farmer said when his cow died, Damn, she never did that before. A leak could happen at any time for any number of reasons. How about finding it a home outside, perhaps on top somewhere?
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Yea I was wondering who would comment re the gas in the hold. I may compromise by getting better containers. With all the "down w fly bridges" comments I've posted here having a good place for gas cans is a good use for the FB. Thinking about it now I could probably put the fuel jugs (plastic) in the rubber duckie on the cabin top. That would be a PITA though. Especially if it's wet. Now I wonder who will say "better than boom". By the way since you've decided to be the safety expert ... how explosive is kerosene? And yes I've seen jet airplanes burn. It's a little more volitile than diesel I'd think .. but don't know.
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"And yes I've seen jet airplanes burn. It's a little more volitile than diesel I'd think .. but don't know. _"

And you have seen oil rigs and tankers burn, even though they are carrying heavy oil that must be heated to flow.

Diesel and kerosene are similar in terms of explosions

Pumps are diesel rated not gasoline rated.

Gas is different as the vapor can explode.
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By the way since you've decided to be the safety expert ... how explosive is kerosene? And yes I've seen jet airplanes burn. It's a little more volitile than diesel I'd think .. but don't know.
I'm no safety expert, but I can tell you that the flash point is the lowest temperature at which vapors of a fluid will ignite. Gas has a flash point of minus 45deg F, while Kerosene has a flash point of +100 to 162deg F. That means for all intents and purposes, ANY gas that escapes will be capable of ignition. If the concentration is between the UEL and LEL (upper and lower explosive limit) any source of ignition, including static will cause an explosion. As little as 1.4% of gas vapor by volume of air will cause an explosion if it's in a contained area (such as your bilge) and gas vapors can sometimes permiate plastic containers. The minor amount of work needed to place the gas cans in the dingy are more than worth the effort if it saves your life, your loved ones, your boat and / or rescue personal called to the scene. Agreed?
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