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Old 06-07-2016, 08:27 PM   #41
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WhaT EveR YoU DO!... DON'T PEE WHILE SWIMMING!! :

You are right, Art. I was peeing in the pool the other day when the life guard yelled at me so loudly I nearly fell in.
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You are right, Art. I was peeing in the pool the other day when the life guard yelled at me so loudly I nearly fell in.

Ok I may have peed a little myself reading that.
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Ok I may have peed a little myself reading that.

Don't push me, Craig. There's more where that came from. This is that kind of thread.
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This is that kind of thread.

When did this forum become a junior high school boys locker room???
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This is that kind of thread.

When did this forum become a junior high school boys locker room???
Where have you been?
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Old 06-07-2016, 11:43 PM   #47
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This is that kind of thread.

When did this forum become a junior high school boys locker room???
Minute we boys began posting!

Pure n' simple - - > No matter if it's 1816, 1916, 0r 2016 . fact is... Boys will be Boys!

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Old 06-08-2016, 01:31 AM   #49
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Hi Peggy,

Found the following on page 52 of a Transport Canada PDF;

"Prevent Pollution

The Vessel Pollution and Dangerous Chemicals Regulations address major
risks to the health of our waterways and shorelines such as sewage,
garbage and hydrocarbons. Sewage contains, among other things, human
or animal body waste, drainage and other waste from toilets.

Sewage Management Solutions

The Vessel Pollution and Dangerous Chemicals Regulations require that
boats fitted with toilets be equipped with either a holding tank, a marine
sanitation device or temporary storage. Make sure you comply.
Many sewage management equipment and solutions exist. Choose sewage
management equipment that works for you.

Holding Tanks

A holding tank collects and stores sewage or sewage sludge. Remember
you must empty it at approved pump-out facilities on dry land only. Make
sure to follow pumping instructions and avoid using disinfectants that may
be harmful to the environment.

Marine Sanitation Devices

A marine sanitation device is designed to receive and treat sewage on
board. Only sewage treated with a marine sanitation device that meets the
standards set out in the regulations may be discharged in inland waters.

Temporary Storage

A porta pottie is considered a temporary storage. The only vessels that may
use temporary storage on board are those that:
• are under 15 GT;
• carry no more that 15 persons;
• do not operate on inland waters."


http://www.tc.gc.ca/media/documents/...ty/TP-511e.pdf


So, the desiccating toilets discussed here would be considered 'temporary storage' by Transport Canada and okay in pleasure craft under 15 tons.


Found the following on page 5 in this PDF on a Royal Canadian Marine Search & Rescue website;

"Untreated sewage may be discharged not less than three nautical miles from shore.

If it is not practicable to comply with the three nautical mile requirement because the ship is located in waters that are less than 6 nautical miles from shore to shore, the discharge can be made while the ship is en route at a speed of at least 4 knots or, if it is not practicable at that speed, at the fastest practicable speed,

(a) Into the deepest waters that are located the farthest from shore during an ebb tide, or

(b) Into the deepest and fastest moving waters that are located the farthest from shore."

http://ccga-pacific.org/files/librar...ct_30,2007.pdf


It appears Canadian laws are somewhat more relaxed than US laws regarding waste from pleasure craft, which makes sense, because Canada has 10% of your population and probably 10 times more coastline than the continental US.
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Here is a link for the act re: sewage in Canada.

It looks to me that the Purasan unit will meet the requirements
for outside of a NDZ. I could easily be wrong in my understanding
of what I'm reading.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/marinesafet...ndix2-1582.htm


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"When did this forum become a junior high school boys locker room???"

Most boys in todays JHS locker room have decided

"Some days you feel like being a Girl"

And are showering with the girls.
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When did this forum become a junior high school boys locker room???
You're right Peggie. Better start exercising your title, ok..?
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Murray....that PDF seems to be just suggestions for how to comply with the regulations set forth in The Vessel Pollution and Dangerous Chemicals Regulations Do you have a link to that?

Ted...without actually having read those regulations, based on the first document Murrary posted, I'm 99% certain that the PuraSan does also meet its requirements.

So, the desiccating toilets discussed here would be considered 'temporary storage' by Transport Canada and okay in pleasure craft under 15 tons.

No. Anything that's designed to be carried off the boat to empty it or can be poured over the side, is temporary storage. Portable portapotties are temporary storage... However, any storage device that's designed to be permanently installed and/or is fitted for pumpout is not. So neither holding tanks nor "MSD" version portapotties--which are even legal on Canada's inland waters--are temporary storage...and neither are dessicators because they aren't devices designed to be removed to empty them. However, the urine jugs definitely ARE "temporary" storage.

Btw..."15 gross tons" does not mean the weight of the boat...it was originally the max number of "tuns" (wine casks) a boat could carry but the definition has evolved over the years... I think you'll find that most of vessels owned by members of this forum far exceed 15 gross tons. Once upon a time I had a document in my files that explains how to arrive at your vessel's gross tonnage...if I can find it, I'll post it here.
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It was easier to find than I expected...y'all are gonna love it:

Tonnage has nothing to do with the weight of your boat. It is a measure of how much wine a vessel can carry.

The word "tun" was originally a size of a cask used to ship wine from Spain & Portugal to England. In 1347 a tax of 3 shillings per tun was imposed and this was called "tonnage." A ship's size became known by the number of casks it could carry, and the word tonnage started being used to describe a ship's size.

It was found that if you took the length x the breadth x the depth of the hold under the deck and divided by 100 it was close to the number of casks. That is where we get the "Measurement ton" of 100 cubic feet per ton.

There are several kinds of tonnage: The first two are used by the tax collector. The next two are used by designers. The fifth and sixth are used by freight salesmen and canal operators and the last one is used by the USCG for documenting boats.

Gross Tonnage - is the internal volume in cubic feet of the vessel minus certain spaces above the main or "tonnage" deck, like stacks and ventilators, which are called "exemptions" .

Net Registered Tonnage - is obtained by deducting from the gross tonnage the volume of space that can't be used for paying cargo or passengers, that is to say the space occupied by the engines, the crew's quarter, the stores, etc.

Displacement Tonnage - is the actual weight of the water "displaced" by the ship and is usually quoted in long tons of 2240 lbs.

Light Displacement Tonnage - is the weight with nothing in it.

Loaded Displacement Tonnage - is the fully loaded weight to the maximum and is on her summer draft in salt water.

Deadweight Tonnage - is the difference between Light and Loaded Displacement Tonnage....the actual carrying capacity of the vessel.

Panama & Suez Canal Tonnages - these are different from the internationally accepted definitions. There used to be a lot of variations between countries and the canal owners thought they were being conned, so they came up with their own definitions.

Simplified Measurement System - The USCG decided that all this was way too much for bureaucrats to deal with for yachts so they came up with their own formula:

Take the horizontal distance between the outboard ends of the boat not including rudders and bow sprits. Multiply that by the maximum beam outside to outside.
Multiply that by the distance from the sheer line not including bulwarks or cap rails to the outside bottom of the hull not including the keel.
Add the volume of the deck house/cabin top. Multiply by .5 for sailboats and .67 for power boats.
Divide by 100.

This will give you the "Gross Tonnage". Net tonnage is 90% of gross for sailboats and 80% for power boats.

It should be obvious to anyone who's managed to get this far that your boat's "tonnage" no longer has anything to do with anything real; it only exists in the mind of some government bureaucrat.

And a bit of fun trivia:
Rummage was the manner in which the wine casks were stored in the hold of the ship and came to refer to the whole ship's cargo. after a voyage any unclaimed and damaged cargo was stacked on the dock beside the boat and offered for sale - a rummage sale. another word of French maritime origin.
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Peggie - Your Post 56 - Holy crap! Copied and recorded... just for S&G!
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Simple admeasurement form on USCG website.....

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Peggie - Your Post 56 - Holy crap! Copied and recorded... just for S&G!
The same way I got it!
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The same way I got it!
Interesting...
Here, in the land of enlightenment - other than when dealing with boat toilets that is - we use metric tonnes, which is an actual weight of 1000kg.
Our travel-lifts can usually tell you what your boat weighs in metric tonnes. I must ask next time. Last time I did it was out of order. I believe mine's about 9 tonne.
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