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Old 03-30-2015, 11:14 AM   #1
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I am done with rule pumps & switches

You think I would have learned after the first couple of failures. I am speaking of the 1100 GPH nonauto pump and Rule Plus float switch. The switch fails closed and burns the pump up. Sometimes it takes 2 years and sometimes it takes 6 months. And I haven't even started talking about the shower sump that I replace the 800 GPH and Plus float switch annually or more. The replacement of both is an $85 repair plus miscellaneous butt connectors.

I went down to the boat yesterday and found the same thing again on a pump and switch that I replaced the last summer, a failed close switch and seized motor with a popped circuit breaker.

So, the point of this post, besides Rule pumps and switches suck, is what do you use? Because I'm going with something else.

I have 3 sets of 1100 GPH pumps and switches, 1 3700 GPH pump and switch for a crash pump and a Rule shower sump.

What works best for you?
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:23 AM   #2
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I would look at Whale Gulpers.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:35 AM   #3
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Ultraswitch Float switches are the cat's meow of float switches. They are pretty darn fool proof and last for decades. They are standard equipment on most Nordhavn's.
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Old 03-30-2015, 11:50 AM   #4
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I went through two of those crappy Rule shower sumps. I replaced it with an Attwood shower sump and have been happy so far.

The Rule automatic pump is so unreliable, it should have been recalled. I think it is the technology that is supposed to detect water vs oil.

I replaced a failed Rule automatic pump, with a Johnson Ultimate pump, After a year it still works properly.

I've heard that the "Water Witch" bilge pump switch is pretty good.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:07 PM   #5
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Big believer in the Ultra PumpSwitch switches here, had six on my Hatteras, including all the sumps; flawless for 5+ years and counting. The mini is great for sumps. I found the larger Rule pumps to be quite dependable; I wouldn't damn the pumps just because the switch burned them out.
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:40 PM   #6
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UltraSwitches. As to pumps for small boats, they all a pretty mediocre. Rule's are no better or worse than anything else from what I've seen.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:06 PM   #7
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Had decent luck with attwood, but as Capt.Bill said they are just average quality.

Had attwood shower sump switch failure and called factory since the unit was only a year old, the person sent me a new switch and said they had some issues earlier, so just goes to show you sometimes a bad manufacturing cycle can happen as well, new switch has lasted 6+ years so far.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:16 PM   #8
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Another plus for Johnson pumps, and they fit right into the Rule mounting bracket so easy swap.

I don't like submerged float switches they all leak and fail at some point.
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Old 03-30-2015, 05:22 PM   #9
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Get a warranty and trade it in before it goes bad or wait till it gets close to the end.
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Old 03-30-2015, 06:00 PM   #10
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For the showers, there is nothing I have found to be better than a Whale Gulper.
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Old 03-30-2015, 06:59 PM   #11
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I too have had good luck with Whale pumps, and have a Johnson pump to try out as well.

My luck with Rule pumps has been similar to yours. They are complete junk and will certainly fail leaving you with either a flooded boat or a dead battery.
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Old 03-30-2015, 07:29 PM   #12
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No matter which brand of hinged switch I used, I tried 3, they were unreliable. I switched to a Johnson Ultra, totally reliable for 2 years. Got mine from Amazon.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:11 PM   #13
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Removed my shower sump entirely. Glassed the floor flat, put in a house drain plumbed into the IC control of the Whale Greywater IC. Been three years, no sump to clean.


For the bilge - Ultraswitches and Rule pumps have worked fine.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:18 PM   #14
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Just installed a 750 GPH Rule-Mate. Fingers crossed for it to last a while.
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Guess I'm lucky. Seem to have good luck with rule pumps and switches. Had two of the automatic pumps go bad do to a defect in a production run of the wire sealing boot. Rule replaced no questions asked. My bilges are otherwise dry so the only use is routine testing.

Use a Whale Gulper for the sink and shower drains. So far it has worked flawlessly.

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Old 03-31-2015, 08:56 AM   #16
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I'll try the ultraswitch on a bilge pump and give Johnson pumps a try. I like that they will snap into a Rule base. Let's see, the ultra with an alarm is $174, an ultra mini for the shower sump is $145 and a $145 ultra jr for the mid bilge pump.......wow, that's sinking some change into it, pun intended. It appears that the ultras are priced the same no matter where you buy them, Amazon or tefgel.

In looking at the Whale products, the Gulper pump only does 300 GPH. For the bilge, I would prefer something around 1000 GPH because of the 3' rise. What about the Whale Orca auto pumps? Anyone try them.

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Looking at pricing I find about $165 for JUST the switch , WOW!
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Old 03-31-2015, 05:17 PM   #18
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Groco or Jabsco DIAPHRAGM type switch. Mine are both decades old and never a problem. No wires anywhere near the bilge water either.
High tech, floatless switches malfunction as well. They stick on if they get hair on them or off if they get oil on them. Some won't work on fresh (rain) water. I wouldn't have one if it were given to me. I find nothing wrong with Rule pumps but the switches are junk for sure.

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Old 03-31-2015, 05:52 PM   #19
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We're running a Seaworld 400 for the shower sump and a Seaworld 1250 for the bilge, both with a Whale float switch. In parallel to the 1250 we have installed a Johnson L2200 with an electronic switch to get a reasonable capacity for the automatic bilge pump(s).
All working fine so far ...


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Old 03-31-2015, 06:37 PM   #20
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Maybe we are talking different products but 2 Johnson Ultra switches cost just over $80 AUD shipped to Aus by Amazon. Admittedly about 2 years ago when the AUD exceeded yours, unlike now. One is installed no probs, the other is a back up spare. I kept the high mounted second bilge pump with a Rule type hinged switch in place, it`s up out of any bilge debris etc which seem to affect that kind of switch.
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