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Old 06-02-2014, 10:13 PM   #21
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Thanks all. I got it off.
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I will now remove the "o" ring and get replacements. Will also deal with the vented plug somehow.


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Old 06-06-2014, 12:59 PM   #22
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. . . . . . Will also deal with the vented plug somehow.
This was my solution. Neither hole goes all the way through - only until they intersect.
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We installed on of these kits from Teleflex on the upper helm. Now we can top up the system from the dash, real easy and no mess. The cap is designed with a waterproof vent in it.......
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Old 06-07-2014, 12:26 AM   #24
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Shoal waters...thanks for that info. I should be able to do that with a drill press, I think.

I finished putting in the gasket on the lower helm. The wheel puller, although not particularly forgiving to this newbie, ultimately did the trick. As suggested above, the "O" ring was 3/4" ID and 1" OD. I did find, however, that it leaked quite a bit with the o ring removed, so had to put it back in until I had the replacement ready to go.

I went to a place in Richmond BC on Alderbridge way called Fluidseal. They have a $10 minimum order. I asked for 2 of these o rings and the guy sent me on my way with them, no charge...such a deal in boat land. I'll finish the upper helm and then do a sea trial to test for leaks. No leaks so far, just moving the wheel about.


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. . . I should be able to do that with a drill press, I think.
That's what I used. If you have a press, you likely have the flat vise to go with it (if not, really good investment). Use a center-punch to mark the holes. Clamp in the vise with pieces of thin plywood in the jaws to stop slipping of/damage to the workpiece. Use a sharp drill bit with a little oil on it. Go gently, clear drill often.
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Shoal waters...thanks for that info. I should be able to do that with a drill press, I think.

I finished putting in the gasket on the lower helm. The wheel puller, although not particularly forgiving to this newbie, ultimately did the trick. As suggested above, the "O" ring was 3/4" ID and 1" OD. I did find, however, that it leaked quite a bit with the o ring removed, so had to put it back in until I had the replacement ready to go.

I went to a place in Richmond BC on Alderbridge way called Fluidseal. They have a $10 minimum order. I asked for 2 of these o rings and the guy sent me on my way with them, no charge...such a deal in boat land. I'll finish the upper helm and then do a sea trial to test for leaks. No leaks so far, just moving the wheel about.


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Jim,

I just saw this thread. Sorry i did not see it earlier as I had the EXACT same problem.

I figured out it seemed to have started when i was turning he wheel while still on Autopilot. The upper helm station was not vented.

In reading the book, the manual said that if the system wasn't vented, this seep would occur. I bled the system and after a week of use and upper helm burping, the problem seems solved and the weeping has not reoccurred.

I do keep a little bandana tied to the steering post.
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Old 06-07-2014, 09:54 AM   #27
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Richard. It was a pretty easy to replace the o-ring, once I figured out what was going on. I do want to get that vented plug done on the upper helm if I can. The pump is located directly under the compass in that station but the plug that is supposed to be vented is not accessible without pulling the cover that encloses that helm. Perhaps use of a Borescope would reveal whether it is vented as specified.


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Old 06-07-2014, 11:23 AM   #28
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According to the manual, as I posted above, the air space is sufficient to account for fluid expansion. The vent plug is not vented, it is removed to vent the system while filling it.

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Old 06-07-2014, 12:12 PM   #29
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Hi Bob... I have a PDF of the installation instructions of the Capilano Teleflex 1275 steering system. In the trouble shooting section, page 21 it states:

"8. Seals will sometimes leak if the steering system is not vented at the uppermost helm....Solution: The Capilano Helm has a field replaceable wheel shaft seal...."

http://www.comstedt.se/pdf/manualer/...heavyduty4.pdf

I interpret this to mean that one of the plugs on the upper helm pump should be vented.


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But on page 15/17 it states that the bleeding procedure described will provide enough air space to allow for fluid expansion. If I was going to install a vented plug I would not just leave an open hole to the atmosphere. I have seen plugs with a sintered metal filter attached that would provide venting but keep out unwanted dust, fiberglass, etc.

I have replaced the O-ring on my upper helm about a year ago and have not had any more leakage.

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Old 06-07-2014, 12:28 PM   #31
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Check McMaster catalog and do a search for 'sintered filters'. There some listed as mufflers and some as vented plugs. Mostly inch sizes but some metric. I'm not sure about whether the plugs are inch or metric.

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Old 06-09-2014, 04:28 PM   #32
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This thread reminded me of the hydraulic problems that Bill Bishop (Marine Installer's Rant) experienced with check valves a couple of months ago.

This isn't rocket science, but I strongly suggest that you test any "innovations" thoroughly before heading out. Lock-to-lock at both helms, et cetera.
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I have replaced the shaft seals on both helms now and we went for a sea trial yesterday for over an hour and I can report that both seals were working and the weeping has now stopped. I have not yet drilled the plug on the upper helm.


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according to the PDF manual of the Capilano system, the upper helm should have one.

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Jumping in a little late but I'm having helm problems and wondering if you can tell me where to get a copy of the PDF?

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Google capilano teleflex and hydraulic steering. Sorry. I'm in the middle of nowhere with intermittent internet.


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Got it, thanks
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Hydraulic oil weeping from steering wheel on lower helm station

I can report that this "O" ring replacement the steering shafts on both helm stations fixed the weeping hydraulic oil problem. This fix on the difficulty meter was a 2/10.


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One of my upper helm plugs is plastic with a vent hole. I seem to remember the installation instructions calling for the vented plug on the upper helm. There is a download available on the teleflex site if you google capilano helm. It's on my laptop, I'll see if I can post it later. Good job on the o - ring fix. They sell a seal kit for alot more money.
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I bought the seal kit and it did NOT include the O-ring. According to the manual I have there is NO vent plug. The air space in the upper helm pump provides enough space for thermal expansion. I have posted the reference previously and will not do so again. Feel free to install a vent plug.

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Hydraulic oil weeping from steering wheel on lower helm station

After cruising for over 8 weeks this summer, I can report that there is no hydraulic oil weeping from the steering shafts, so the repair of the seal appears to work just fine. We use the autopilot extensively. I now avoid "hanging onto the wheel" in rough seas.

The PDF manual I have indicates that the upper helm has a vented plug, which I did not have. As suggests by "shoal waters" (above) I drilled two small holes at 90 degrees in one of the plugs on the upper helm to provide a vented fitting. I know there are different opinions on this. I guess there is concern that dirt may enter the system through the vent, but I decided to follow my gut on this one.


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