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Old 04-22-2013, 10:40 PM   #21
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We have a trash compactor on board that we put all compressible items into. We can get about 10 days worth of trash into one bag, so it really does save a lot of space. The only thing we don't put in there are things that won't compress, like glass.

As to the OP's question, we toss most of it over the side. On the Columbia and Snake Rivers there is a decent enough flow that it isn't an issue.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:46 PM   #22
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As to the OP's question, we toss most of it over the side. On the Columbia and Snake Rivers there is a decent enough flow that it isn't an issue.
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Old 04-23-2013, 12:49 AM   #23
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Eagle-that has been a huge problem in the upper Chesapeake for decades, combined agricultural runoff and and lousy metro area sewage treatments. On the East Coast, the problem gives rise to the infamous "Red Tides", massive blooms of algae that block the light to any depth and use up the available oxygen. There has been a program around the upper Chessie for many years trying to decrease the runoff and improve the water quality. Some decent progress has been made.
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The number one source of polution in the Chesapeake is Washington, DC. They have opted to accept fines for discharges instead of spending the funds to upgrade their treatment plant. Sad but true.
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:23 AM   #25
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"I will note, though, that Long Island Sound is now cleaner than it was 40 years ago."

When they started to clean up LI the first thing of interest was most of the wooden piers and docks were eaten by the new healthy bugs.

Many cities like still have an "emergency " that requires a month or two of direct sewage release , same emergency for 40 years ?
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Old 04-23-2013, 06:23 AM   #26
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The number one source of polution in the Chesapeake is Washington, DC. They have opted to accept fines for discharges instead of spending the funds to upgrade their treatment plant. Sad but true.
And.we.all.know. the amount of bull sh** that comes out of washington
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Old 04-23-2013, 09:43 AM   #27
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The number one source of polution in the Chesapeake is Washington, DC. They have opted to accept fines for discharges instead of spending the funds to upgrade their treatment plant. Sad but true.
I've had a quick Google for this data and I'm unable to verify it. Seems like one of the major sources is chicken manure. Here's a good article: http://www.pewenvironment.org/upload...n_July2011.pdf

And another: http://www2.epa.gov/nutrient-policy-data/chesapeake-bay

If you are a bit more adventurous: http://www.int-res.com/articles/feature/m303p001.pdf

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Old 04-23-2013, 09:46 AM   #28
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Many cities like still have an "emergency " that requires a month or two of direct sewage release , same emergency for 40 years ?
Yes, the "emergency" is that most older cities still have combined storm and sanitary sewers. When it rains heavily, the combined flow overwhelms treatment plants and the combined flow is discharged.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but aspiring politicians whose platform is "I'd like to raise taxes substantially so that we can rebuild our infrastructure and eventually stop dumping raw sewerage into the ecosystem" are not often supported or elected. Ones who say "No More Taxes! No More Taxes!" are supported and elected.

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Many of the waterman also claim that no-till farming has greatly increased runoff and hurt the oyster population
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Back in the '80s I occasionally flew the pollution patrol out of USCG Air Station New York. One of the check points was the garbage dump for the city which was ten or fifteen miles off shore. The chemical dump was a few miles beyond. Both sites were always occupied by scores of citizens in their fishing boats. Wonder how many of those fresh fish ended up in the Fulton street fish market...
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Pride vs Shame - Is Victoria Dumping Raw Sewage? - RSTV
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Animal waste from "industrial farming" is a major environmental issue. As the links Eagle posted show, disposal of chicken waste on the Delmarva Peninsula is a real issue and has had major effects on water quality in the Bay. Even though cities such as DC do dump major amounts of sewage into the watershed, their contribution is dwarfed by the animal waste issue.

As an example, in 1995, near where my son lives in NC, a retention pond from hog waste from an industrial producer (he had approximately 10,000 hogs in his operation at one time!) failed and dumped some 25,000,000 gallons of hog waste in a tributary of the New River. Every living thing for a six mile stretch of water was killed! Oxygen levels, causing fish kills, where affected all the way down to Snead's Ferry. Oysters carried toxins from the spill for several years after. The hog "waste", more commonly know as hog crap (minding the words here!), all 25,000,000 gallons, was stored in an 8 acre, open, man-made "lagoon". This is the hog producers' "best practices" method. The producer was fined like $50,000.

The more unbelievable thing is that there has been no substantial change in waste disposal method for these operations since then. Just build bigger, stronger retention ponds! Additional regulations have been consistently beaten back by the industry.

Imagine the hue and cry if a politician proposed storing human waste in open "retention ponds!"

Sorry for the rant, but this is those things that really, really bugs me!
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I think the correct approach depends where you are. If you are in an area where there is good dockside disposal and your trip is short, dispose of all of your food waste on land. Locally for me, this would be Puget Sound and the lower Georgia Strait. As you move further away from civilization and your trip is longer, separate the food waste from the plastics, etc, put it in a blender and whiz it up for disposal over board in an area where there are strong tidal currents. Animal waste products are more easily broken down in the ocean than vegetable and fruit peels. Small amounts of clean dry paper and card board could be burned in a campfire on shore where allowed. The rest of the material should be separated for recycling and stowed. Try to minimize your footprint on the environment and try to do your part.

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I think the correct approach depends where you are. If you are in an area where there is good dockside disposal and your trip is short, dispose of all of your food waste on land. Locally for me, this would be Puget Sound and the lower Georgia Strait. As you move further away from civilization and your trip is longer, separate the food waste from the plastics, etc, put it in a blender and whiz it up for disposal over board in an area where there are strong tidal currents. Animal waste products are more easily broken down in the ocean than vegetable and fruit peels. Small amounts of clean dry paper and card board could be burned in a campfire on shore where allowed. The rest of the material should be separated for recycling and stowed. Try to minimize your footprint on the environment and try to do your part.

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Well said Jim.
I'ts not that hard to give this planet a bit of respect. It certainly gives us plenty of enjoyment.
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The only waste I hesitate to keep aboard is coffee grounds. We can otherwise easily/conveniently manage 10 days or so of landbound trash.
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