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01-18-2017, 09:06 PM
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Guru
City: Punta Gorda, FL
Vessel Name: Aweigh
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 42
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 628
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Convince DW that Propane is OK or Give Up?
Buying a boat with a Princess propane stove/oven. DW is afraid of propane and wants me to rip it out and install new Force 10 electric stove/oven.
Bottom line is that she won't use either one. She will use electric skillet or toaster oven and I will grill outside.
She is an Internet junky and has found 10 million blogs against propane and one post for it.
I'm not afraid but if Momma ain't happy no one is. What to do? Getting a new DW is more expensive than new stove/oven.
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01-18-2017, 09:12 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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I am on my fourth boat with a propane stove/oven. I'd rather have it then have to run the generator a lot more often.
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01-18-2017, 09:19 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Aren't many fires on boats involve electricity rather than propane?
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01-18-2017, 09:21 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Brisbane
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4,260
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If neither of you are going to use a stove/oven then remove it and use the space for something else!
But a properly installed propane system is far preferable to electric stove/oven in my view. That means a proper cylinder enclosure, solenoid cutoff at the cylinder, a detector next to the oven and one at a low point in the sleeping cabin, and a continuous hose run from solenoid to appliance (no joins whatsoever). A used boat may not have these attributes, but they can be readily fixed.
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01-18-2017, 09:21 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,817
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Having a propane stove on the boat doesn't obligate you to hook a tank to it. Have an electric stove on my boat that I was adamant about replacing with propane. Have used it twice so far. It's moved down and off the priority list. Best answer is buy the boat, and tell DW that the two of you will evaluate whether you truly need a stove on the boat or not.
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01-18-2017, 09:27 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,540
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Greetings,
Mr. 007. Oh dear. What will it take to convince Momma that it's safe? Maybe an official USCG inspection? Written certification by AYBC "expert"?
Our current boat came with a 3 burner electric stove and I couldn't wait to get rid of it. Installed 3 burner Princess propane. Previous vessel came with propane. No problems with either one.
Regarding the bottom line...IF she isn't going to use a stove at all, leave the propane one in place and don't hook any bottles up to it.
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01-18-2017, 09:39 PM
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Guru
City: Hotel, CA
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 8,323
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Does your wife like the boat?
Are you sure?
The problem may be a propane stove objection is the first of many objections awaiting their turn...
If it really is a propane phobia rip the damn thing out and stick an electric in its place. In fact, splurge and buy an induction unit.
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Craig
It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they've been fooled - Mark Twain
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01-18-2017, 09:52 PM
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 13,293
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Insurers here want a propane system certification by a qualified fitter. As RTF suggests, the certificate may help. But on what you wrote, I doubt it.
My propane experience is positive too. And who wants to fire up the genset for coffee or tea(unless you have a mains espresso machine like us, or lots of battery to feed an inverter), or run it for hours to do a roast.
As well as the bottle valves and a selector for the one of 2 bottles in use,we have a valve in the cabin headliner s that after cooking the supply can be turned off without visiting the FB, though the nervous will do that too.
Modern stoves have a flame out/propane off safety valves. Plenty of reasons it is not a problem but, I sense that may not be enough.
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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01-18-2017, 10:30 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seasalt007
Buying a boat with a Princess propane stove/oven. DW is afraid of propane and wants me to rip it out and install new Force 10 electric stove/oven.
Bottom line is that she won't use either one. She will use electric skillet or toaster oven and I will grill outside.
She is an Internet junky and has found 10 million blogs against propane and one post for it.
I'm not afraid but if Momma ain't happy no one is. What to do? Getting a new DW is more expensive than new stove/oven.
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Wifey B: Is that thing not out yet?
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01-18-2017, 10:32 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CPseudonym
Does your wife like the boat?
Are you sure?
The problem may be a propane stove objection is the first of many objections awaiting their turn...
If it really is a propane phobia rip the damn thing out and stick an electric in its place. In fact, splurge and buy an induction unit.
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Wifey B: We've read all that too, but we still chose no propane. Many years on the lake of being told it was bad. Told about fires and explosions. Logic loses out to emotion.
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01-18-2017, 10:57 PM
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Guru
City: Victoria TX
Vessel Name: Bijou
Vessel Model: 2008 Island Packet PY/SP
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 5,290
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I love making espresso early in the am on the super quiet propane stove. I use this:
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01-18-2017, 11:34 PM
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Senior Member
City: West Vancouver
Vessel Name: Ka Hale Kai
Vessel Model: 52' Cheoy Lee
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 158
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We have a princess stove/oven and love it. It was actually a selling feature with my wife. We run an entire season - including using the oven for baking - on a single propane bottle.
As per previous posters, with remote shutoff, proper installation, etc you should be totally fine.
I have been on boats that need to run the genset to make a cup of coffee - I would never want that!
If it is in and properly installed I suggest keeping and using it for a season - then see if you want the work and expense of changing it.
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01-19-2017, 12:36 AM
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Guru
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 5,299
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While I have no problem with propane on a boat, you might save yourself a bunch of trouble by installing an Origo alcohol stove. It is very safe and it doesn't require running the generator.
Kenyon makes a combination electric / alcohol stove if you want both.
My wife actually likes our Origo.
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Retired from Hopkins-Carter Marine Supply
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01-19-2017, 01:07 AM
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Memorial Member
City: Lafayette,LA
Vessel Name: Evangeline
Vessel Model: 35" Flybridge Sedan Senator
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 160
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God is great, beer is good and people are crazey.
All said, Propane is the only way to cook.
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01-19-2017, 01:27 AM
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Memorial Member
City: Lafayette,LA
Vessel Name: Evangeline
Vessel Model: 35" Flybridge Sedan Senator
Join Date: Dec 2016
Posts: 160
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NO electiectiic
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01-19-2017, 01:42 AM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Wifey B: I like my bacon electrifried.
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01-19-2017, 05:05 AM
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Guru
City: Narragansett Bay
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 36 Classic #715
Join Date: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,856
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Origo
Quote:
Originally Posted by HopCar
While I have no problem with propane on a boat, you might save yourself a bunch of trouble by installing an Origo alcohol stove. It is very safe and it doesn't require running the generator.
Kenyon makes a combination electric / alcohol stove if you want both.
My wife actually likes our Origo.
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Plus 2 on the Origo
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01-19-2017, 05:35 AM
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Guru
City: Miami
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 800
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Use the propane tank with a proper regulator to fuel a grill outside and buy an induction burner that will run off your inverter for meals inside.
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01-19-2017, 05:43 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Fear is a funny thing.
No amount of convincing and often no amount of counselling changes a thing.
There are plenty here that can spout off a million boats or blogs that use propane but I doubt it would help.
If my boat doesn't have an issue with propane, why write about it? If it does, like everyone else thesevdays, they have to become a crusader against it, like they actually know something the rest of us don't.
More boats sink every year and people drown than people blowing up...yeah...yeah I understand statistics to and it's phoney baloney, but no more than an irrational fear of propane.
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01-19-2017, 06:12 AM
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Senior Member
City: Casco Bay
Join Date: Feb 2016
Posts: 308
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Quote:
Originally Posted by seasalt007
Buying a boat with a Princess propane stove/oven. DW is afraid of propane and wants me to rip it out and install new Force 10 electric stove/oven.
Bottom line is that she won't use either one. She will use electric skillet or toaster oven and I will grill outside.
She is an Internet junky and has found 10 million blogs against propane and one post for it.
I'm not afraid but if Momma ain't happy no one is. What to do? Getting a new DW is more expensive than new stove/oven.
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The stats simply don't back up her fears... If you really want to scare her tell her that 55% of all boat fires are electrical in nature then have her go hunt for the numerous unsafe areas of the installed AC & DC systems, which 99.5% of boats have..........
A safely installed propane system, using equipment designed for a marine installation, and done to ABYC standards, is extremely safe. In every single case I have been made aware of, where propane was involved (there are quite few actually), the system did not meet the minimum safety standards. If someone can point me to a vessel where propane caused a fire, and the system was installed to ABYC standards, PLEASE DO....
The last one I was involved in was a large Hatteras where a clamp-on propane heater was mounted to a 20 pound tank and being used in the saloon, on shag carpet..... NOTHING about this met the safety standards. The boat was burned to the waterline when the heater tipped over. The fault of propane? NOPE, not at all, but that is what the "stats" will show....
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