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Old 11-11-2012, 05:56 PM   #1
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Can anyone ID the manufacturer of this seacock?

It is in a 2001 Offshore 54' and I need to replace it or hopefully buy a new handle. I have found numerous similar units but not the exact one. It has a cast sailboat on the body. It is not a Wilcox Crittenden. Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:48 PM   #2
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Maybe one of these. Could you post a photo showing the sailboat?
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Old 11-11-2012, 06:58 PM   #3
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Nope, I checked Spartan already. The logo is on the back side and I can't get any kind of useful pic. I am sure someone out there will recognize it. The handle looks like a Groco, but they don't show this model in their catalog.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:48 AM   #4
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I think you will find that it is a Chinese knock-off that probably isn't made anymore. Why not just replace it with a standard version supported by one of the reputable suppliers?
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If all you need is a new handle then just have one made or go buy a wrench at your local car hardware store.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:14 AM   #6
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I could also use the handle from the other engine's seacock too....if I wanted to, which I don't. There is nothing more that I can do to loosen the seacock until I have the boat in dry dock, which will happen in a few months, regardless. At that time, I will do what is necessary to loosen the mechanism or replace it. If it is a knockoff then I will replace it with a known manufacturer. If it is from a reputable manufacturer I will try to purchase an identical unit. Hence, the posting. So, anyone our there recognize it?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:14 AM   #7
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It is not a Wilcox Crittenden.

But it could be a Chinese copy of the WC.

Measure the size handle , I may have a WC handle.
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More to the story? Is it too tight to turn and can't be "loosened" or are you just desperate to have a dedicated handle for each valve?
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FF, thanks for the offer, but the handle is not similar to the WC. It is actually similar to the Groco, with a square nut and cotter pin. It is cast bronze so making one from steel is not a good idea as it could damage the bronze nut, and using bronze and steel together isn't a good idea.

Rick, I know that I could cobble something together that would function, but that is not what I want to do. I am in Mexico and things are much harder and more costly to get here. I will repair if possible and replace if necessary, which is why I would like to identify it so I could make a sound decision.
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Who said anything about "cobble something together?" In Mexico it should be even easier than here to take one of your existing handles to a foundry and have them cast a bronze duplicate. Simple, cheap, sand casting is almost certainly how the original was made, or if it was investment cast, a lost wax mold will do just fine and is a primitive technology so even the most backwards foundry can do it.

I am curious about the "loosen the mechanism" comment ... is the thing too hard to turn and that is part of the reason you are looking for a replacement? Replacing a $400 valve because you can't find a $20 handle seems odd.
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It is in a 2001 Offshore 54' and I need to replace it or hopefully buy a new handle. I have found numerous similar units but not the exact one. It has a cast sailboat on the body. It is not a Wilcox Crittenden. Thanks in advance.

I'm with Rick B. In Mexcio they make anything. Gonzales has a machine shop in PV. He made a lot of parts for us over the years in different metals. One issue we had was an internal part for some door handles. Four days and $50 later we had 2. You'll get his current address on the morning VHF net.
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Old 11-12-2012, 08:40 AM   #12
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FF, thanks for the offer, but the handle is not similar to the WC. It is actually similar to the Groco, with a square nut and cotter pin. It is cast bronze so making one from steel is not a good idea as it could damage the bronze nut, and using bronze and steel together isn't a good idea. .
How about making a handle from stainless steel such as this commercial seacock:


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Conbraco Apollo Full Flow Sea Flange Valve

Ports: 3/4" NPS Bottom Connection, 3/4" NPT Top Connection

Material: Bronze Body With Chrome Plated Bronze Ball

Stainless Steel Lever and Nut



Conbraco Apollo Full Flow Sea Flange Valve

Or just buy a wrench that fits it and keep it nearby?
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"... and using bronze and steel together isn't a good idea ..."

We had better call the propeller and prop nut folks and pump manufacturers before something awful happens.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:02 AM   #14
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Rick, Sorry if I offended you. My issue with steel and bronze is that the steel is much stronger than the bronze nut it is attacked to on the handle. If someone were to pound on it, the bronze would give way first potentially causing a catastrophic failure. However, in the real world you are probably correct and a fabricated steel handle is the best option. Stainless is even better for obvious reasons and it is easily available here. Thanks.
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:19 AM   #15
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Rick, Sorry if I offended you. My issue with steel and bronze is that the steel is much stronger than the bronze nut it is attacked to on the handle. If someone were to pound on it, the bronze would give way first potentially causing a catastrophic failure.
No offense taken here, just trying to help.

If the thing is so stiff that you worry about damaging the bronze, you need to fix it. It is not difficult to do and if you may even be able to do it in the water if you can dive or have a diver available to seal the inlet from the outside.

There are even internal options which include the use of bread and modeling clay if you feel adventurous.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:26 PM   #16
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It's already been suggested that you take one of your other handles to a foundry and have a duplicate cast. I use a local foundry that charges $8.00 per pound for a bronze sand casting. That's it ! $8.00 and no other charges.
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I think your seacock may have been made by Buck Algonquin. I would have said Spartan, as they have a Greco-Roman galley under sail as a logo, but you seem confident it is not Spartan..... It is a 'cone' type which, though no longer fashionable, probably because of higher manufacturing costs, can be easily pulled down, lapped and made perfect again.
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[QUOTE=rwidman;112342]How about making a handle from stainless steel such as this commercial seacock:



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I had a similar issue on my raw water engine intakes. Only the handles were cast iron on a bronze seacock. Every time you would open or closed the valves you ended up with a rusty hand. Dumb , Dumb,

I was going to replace the valves., but the yard said they were in good condition and good quality, we cleaned them and reinstalled. Found some stainless handles, (like the ones pictured) at Marine Hardware, Anacortes, carefully enlarged and fit the square hole and we were good to go.
Stainless on bronze shouldn't be an issue and the handles are light enough that no one is going to pound on them.

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Greetings,
Mr. Edelweiss. Two potential solutions for rusty handles...

Coatings and Adhesives, Rubber and Plastic Coatings | Plasti Dip Interntional

Heat-shrink tubing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From the tone of your post I suspect you have already mitigated your rust problem...
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I'll just add that the companies that make these seacocks also make similar items for use in residential and commercial plumbing. There's a chance that a good plumbing supply house can either furnish or order replacement handles.

Even Harbor Freight sells similar valves and while I wouldn't use one in a critical application on my boat, the handle might fit.

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