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Old 12-16-2012, 08:55 PM   #101
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A fantail is an excellent place to share wine and cigars and watch the sun go down.

Don't forget to ask the age old question," I wonder what the poor people are doing about now?".
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:10 PM   #102
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Preparing to catch fish.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:01 AM   #103
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Preparing to catch fish.
I'd call that a horseshoe stern, myself.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:24 AM   #104
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A round stern , if it has a commercial grade rub rail , is a blessing as it can be used to turn the vessel against a piling or a sea wall.
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Old 12-17-2012, 09:34 AM   #105
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Manyboats, Tad Roberts, Thanks for the responce. Sorry I was so vague. The FANTAIL is on yachtworld, its listed as "Trans World 50" or "Hyatt 50", beautifull boat. Any info on handling, ride, pluses an minuses. We are very attrected to the look. It does have rounded bottom like a shoal draft sailboat. I do value the opion of more experenced yachtsman, any help will be welcome. Ride characteriscts are important. But as we have not been on the water with this we can only quess as to the ride.
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:39 AM   #106
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Manyboats, Tad Roberts, Thanks for the responce. Sorry I was so vague. The FANTAIL is on yachtworld, its listed as "Trans World 50" or "Hyatt 50", beautifull boat. Any info on handling, ride, pluses an minuses. We are very attrected to the look. It does have rounded bottom like a shoal draft sailboat. I do value the opion of more experenced yachtsman, any help will be welcome. Ride characteriscts are important. But as we have not been on the water with this we can only quess as to the ride.

Is this the boat?

1999 Hyatt Voyager 50 Trawler Power Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

If so, very nice looking boat!
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Old 12-17-2012, 10:56 AM   #107
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Now I even like that better than the Nordhavn 46. What a beautiful boat. WONDERFUL wheelhouse and view over the bow. And the styling of the wheelhouse from the outside is wonderful too. Perfect power excellent speed. And it's BEAUTIFUL. It even has the crane and dinghy where I want it .. how I want it. But for me it's 15' too big.
Some guys REALLY know how to look at boats.
And thanks for bring'in this beauty to the fore ksanders.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:11 AM   #108
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Yes it is and what a beauty. We have concerns as to the ride guality. It looks loke it will pitch and roll quite a bit. Cant seem to find much info about these boats. Seems to be very few around.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:19 AM   #109
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Yes it is and what a beauty. We have concerns as to the ride guality. It looks loke it will pitch and roll quite a bit. Cant seem to find much info about these boats. Seems to be very few around.
My concern would be ride as well. But the engine room seems to have quite a bit of space so why not add stabilizers. $40-50k but if the boat can be bought right and is as good looking in person as it is in the pictures I'd consider it.

In fact I just mentioned it to my wife. Sell the house and move aboard.
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Old 12-17-2012, 11:40 AM   #110
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Yes it WILL roll. My Willy rolls a lot to quite a bit but I don't mind it 90% of the time and look what I get for put'in up w the roll 10% of the time. Actually I think it's less but in your shoes what if the roll it too much for you you'd be miserable aboard and in that case you'd definitely be better off w a more typical Trawler Box. With beam lacking amidships and beam almost nonexistent aft she's gonna roll.

I didn't mention it before because
A. I was so overwhelmed w the boats perfection and beauty.
B. My boat rolls. It's a part of her and most all the time I just don't notice it.

Active stabilizers are very expensive and Paravanes are kind-of a PITA. And the poles and other rigging for Paravanes would/may take a big chunk of the beauty of this boat w them.

I see she's got a 15' beam and she looks wide in photo #46. Her chines will tell a lot about this issue but I don't see good pics of her bottom. Some "rounded bottom" boats are actually fairly flat on the bottom like a ship and some are just plain round.

Here's three examples of "round" bottoms.

Pic#1 Here is my Willard and you can see that there is a small part of the bottom that is almost flat. This (I believe) gives her considerable stiffness compared to really round boats.
Pic# 2 Here is a really round bottom but it could be even rounder. Willy will "snap back" compared to this heavy rounded fish boat. By the way Spy this is the same boat that I presented and called a fantail stern earlier. Dixie ll.
Pic #3 This is a British Fisher Motorsailer. You can see she's much rounder than Willy. More like the fishboat.
A canoe is often called a round bottom boat but actually it's a flat bottom w rounded (soft) chines.
So what kind of "round" bottom has a profound effect on the nature of a boat's rolling action.

Perhaps this boat in Yacht World should be compared to a 42 Krogen.
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I've lusted after these beauties for some time. But, yeah, it would be a "sell the house" type of move. I'm not there yet, just not ready to give up the land base.
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Old 12-17-2012, 12:08 PM   #112
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WOW - I could almost live in that engine room.
She's pure class.
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Eric-- I'm surprised you like it since it's got that distracting and obstructing bow rail thingy.

Actually, I'm not all that impressed with it. I feel the topsides are out of proportion to the hull (topsides too tall, hull too squat) and those oversize pilothouse windows gave the boat a Walt Disney cartoon look. The bow is too raked for the style of the boat.

Of course being a single engine boat it would never make our short list no matter what it looked like.

Just goes to show you how subjective design is, right?
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Manyboats. It dose have a bottom like the pic you sent. you can see her bottom on YW, TRANS WORLD 50 shows a sistership with line drawings and on the hard.
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Manyboats. It dose have a bottom like the pic you sent. you can see her bottom on YW, TRANS WORLD 50 shows a sistership with line drawings and on the hard.
I did a search on YW and can't find but on Trans World and it is a 47.

The link please.
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I did a search on YW and can't find but on Trans World and it is a 47.

The link please.
Do a general Google search on Transworld or Transpacific Fantail 50. You'll find stuff. Such pretty boats!

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Old 12-17-2012, 02:54 PM   #117
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ck YW trans world fantail 50
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Old 12-17-2012, 03:06 PM   #118
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I thought it might be the Transworld Fantail you were asking about.

Marin is right, to my eye a horrible boat. It's very interesting that most find her attractive........

I think I've mentioned before that the proportions are key. The house on this boat completely overpowers the hull. She appears top heavy, a very graceful hull married to a typical huge deckhouse....wrong. Stability will be questionable at best. Every one of these I've seen appears down by the stern, they would look better if the trim was right. I'll guess the ballast is too far aft.

The stuff I've seen does not credit any designer (a bad sign) but I believe the marine Illustrator Steve Davis had something to do with this boat......His one and only design (?)
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Personally I think its a great looking boat.

The pilothouse is aft far enough for some comfort, yet far enough forward to make for a decent sized salon/galley area.

She represents a classic "type B" vessel as described in Voyaging Under Power, Type B designs have the pilothouse and the one of the staterooms double stacked, the salon/galley aft, and cabins forward.

The only thing I'm not overly fond of, is a trait shared by many boats of this design in that the access to the cabins is from the pilothouse taking away from helm area space and making for a steep set of stairs down to the cabins.

This stair arrangment is unfortunately required if you are to have a full width owners cabin underneath the pilothouse. This is again, a pretty standard design.

Another way to make the design work out is to either have a companionway from the salon to the cabins along one side and a narrower master stateroom, as is popular in the Navigator yachts, or to have a center companionway with a forward master, as is popular with many of the pilothouse models including mine.

Another challenge in this type of design is engine room height, and almost all 50' pilothouse boats suffer from it. The engine room is basically beneath the salon area. You can make for a taller engine room by moving the salon deck, and the rest of the boat upwards, or you can make for a deeper hull, but there is only so much downward movement you can get. Boats that have a taller engine room are easy to spot when placed side by side with other boats in the same size, they are taller, either the whole boat, or the height difference between the salon and the pilothouse becomes very small, almost taking away the raised pilothouse aspect. Its hard to tell just how tall the engine room is in this boat because there are no visual references, but its something to consider.

In short, this is a beautiful boat, but there's only so many ways you can design the interior spaces in a 50' vessel.
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:45 PM   #120
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Yes ksanders and they go into that quite a bit in Voyaging Under Power.

But as I've said before the hull is the boat. But then when I get a boat then I start complaining about how it's laid out. Hmmm.

I was wrong about the speed of this fantail. Her WL is too short for max speed form the overall hull length. Same fault is in my Willard and the Nordhavn 46. All would benifit from a much steeper stem. But as it is it's going to be very efficient.
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