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Old 02-28-2015, 07:30 PM   #141
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Thanks Art! You and Tim have been a huge help to us and we really appreciate it. Thought u guys might get a kick out of my final notes about this abortion we went and looked at today.

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Old 02-28-2015, 07:52 PM   #142
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The boat was filthy and neglected - looking NOTHING like the photos in the ad.
So you have just learned a valuable lesson. Boats NEVER look as good in reality as they do in photos. Any boat, new or old. NEVER judge or pre-judge a boat from photos you see of it. The photos are fine to show the boat's configuration and what the helm stations look like and the color of the seat cushions. But they tell you almost nothing about the actual condition of the boat.

The farthest I think one should go with photos is to decide "I like the look/style/configuration of that boat. I think I'll go have a look at it in person." And then show up expecting the worst so you won't be surprised or disappointed if that's what you find.

I and probably plenty of people on this forum know photographers who know how to use lenses and angles and light to make a half-sunk wreck look damn near like a newbuild.

Roll in what can be done with Photoshop and Illustrator and they can make a beat-to-crap Marine Trader look like a Fleming. Healhustler of this forum has taken a photo of our PNW boat, a Grand Banks, and removed the flying bridge, changed the proportions of the cabins and windows and made it look like a photo of a lobster-style boat. A picture of a real one that would fool most everyone.

So never judge a boat that's for sale by the pictures of it.
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Old 02-28-2015, 08:05 PM   #143
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Friar George!!!
That's quite strong opinion. We like you- even when you are good!!!


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Old 02-28-2015, 09:45 PM   #144
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So you have just learned a valuable lesson. Boats NEVER look as good in reality as they do in photos. Any boat, new or old. NEVER judge or pre-judge a boat from photos you see of it. The photos are fine to show the boat's configuration and what the helm stations look like and the color of the seat cushions. But they tell you almost nothing about the actual condition of the boat.

The farthest I think one should go with photos is to decide "I like the look/style/configuration of that boat. I think I'll go have a look at it in person." And then show up expecting the worst so you won't be surprised or disappointed if that's what you find.

I and probably plenty of people on this forum know photographers who know how to use lenses and angles and light to make a half-sunk wreck look damn near like a newbuild.

Roll in what can be done with Photoshop and Illustrator and they can make a beat-to-crap Marine Trader look like a Fleming. Healhustler of this forum has taken a photo of our PNW boat, a Grand Banks, and removed the flying bridge, changed the proportions of the cabins and windows and made it look like a photo of a lobster-style boat. A picture of a real one that would fool most everyone.

So never judge a boat that's for sale by the pictures of it.
Marin - Being a published writer you are sticking with the saying...

Just can't judge a boat (err book) by its photo (err cover)!


So true!!
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Old 02-28-2015, 10:19 PM   #145
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Marin - Being a published writer you are sticking with the saying...

Just can't judge a boat (err book) by its photo (err cover)!
Well, sometimes you sort of can as in the first two, and sometimes there's no way, as in the latest one.....
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Old 02-28-2015, 10:23 PM   #146
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Forward by Harrison Ford? THE Harrison Ford??


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Old 02-28-2015, 10:38 PM   #147
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Forward by Harrison Ford? THE Harrison Ford??


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Yes. He has a beautiful de Haviland Beaver (on wheels) that Kenmore built for him from a Viet Nam era surplus hulk, so I asked him if he'd write the forward for my book and he agreed.
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Old 03-01-2015, 12:03 AM   #149
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It`s not a total waste of time, every boat you inspect and don`t buy is a learning exercise, including about the broker.
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Old 03-01-2015, 02:19 AM   #150
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George-I think looking at used boats might be a lot like learning a new congregation, among the many sinners will be a few real saints. You have to work your way through all the sinners to find the few saints. One day, as you walk down a dock, the saint will call to you and you will have found your boat!

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George-I think looking at used boats might be a lot like learning a new congregation, among the many sinners will be a few real saints. You have to work your way through all the sinners to find the few saints. One day, as you walk down a dock, the saint will call to you and you will have found your boat!

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Old 03-01-2015, 01:38 PM   #152
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Lots of horror stories about good folks that spent there "hard found funds" on a boat, usually all they had or could put together. They just wanted to live the dream but the boat they bought was a nightmare. Bad tanks, rotted bulkheads, cabin sides, decks, soggy balsa, etc. (all of which can be concealed) There are a few decent boats out there in your price range, but it takes years of collecting knowledge to know them and not get sucked into the sales pitch. Any boat in your size range at your price point is suspect. In God we trust, no mention of brokers in that.
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Old 03-01-2015, 03:58 PM   #153
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Old 03-03-2015, 06:46 PM   #154
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Welcome George,

Been gone from the board for awhile, but we are on our third year as a liveaboard and love it everyday. Those pesky picture and old albums can easily be dealt with. Digitize all that source material. Scan the pictures to your lap top or hard drive and pick up a viewer that will play the pictures for you. I have been scanning for the past month and I have 20+ years to scan, but being retired now I have more time then money and it is fun to see the old pictures again.

Same with the music, convert your albums, CD cassettes / 8-tracks to an MP# format and play them on you radio, IPOD or whatever. That way you get to keep all you stuff, just in a smaller format.

We'll be leaving the SF Bay area in early May so I'm trying to get all my scanning done. Take care and welcome aboard.
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We took a few days off to celebrate the Admiral's birthday. Just hung at the beach and didn't look at a single boat ad. It was a good time to take a break. Gonna hit it again this weekend.

Thanks to everyone for all the great comments and for following along. More updates to follow!
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Yes. He has a beautiful de Haviland Beaver (on wheels) that Kenmore built for him from a Viet Nam era surplus hulk, so I asked him if he'd write the forward for my book and he agreed.
Is that the same Harrison Ford who crashed today when the engine of his yellow 1942 Ryan Aeronautical ST3KR failed? ... I don't understand why people who wouldn't trust a single-engine boat but will fly in a single-engine airplane.
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Yes, it is.

We fly a single engine airplane into some of the most rugged country in North America but we will only own multi-engined boats. It has little to do with safety.
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[QUOTE=Marin;314014]Yes, it is.


We fly a single engine airplane into some of the most rugged country in North America but we will only own multi-engin
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You wrote the Kenmore air book? That's one of my favorites. I've recommended that to others.
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You wrote the Kenmore air book? That's one of my favorites. I've recommended that to others.
Yes, I wrote it during later 1990s after my floatplane instruction book had gone through three editions. Glad you enjoyed the book. The Kenmore story is remarkable for both the aviation and business aspects, regardless of who wrote it up.
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