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Old 03-29-2015, 02:39 PM   #221
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I'm late but just read this on fuel tanks. Hope this helps

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Old 03-29-2015, 04:10 PM   #222
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My last post was too late to be helpful. I reviewed the Californian. It looks nice. No iron tanks, no teak deck or windows, that alone avoids many of the problems common on 1980's Taiwan made trawlers. I like the lower maintence exterior design. No teak. You can always paint the trim brown.

The 1999 re power twin cats have very low hours. Cats can last 20000 hrs. Why were the original engines replaced/rebuilt? If due to high hours, many other systems may also be tired from extended cruising.

Btw are you planning to be at the dock with guests mostly or serious cruisers? This boat is good for either. The large water heater and washing machine ,and three ac units are great at the dock, not on the hook. Well equipped boat. A 42 is a lot of boat for a first boat. Twins but no thruster. An hour with the broker is not enough, good idea to hire a training captain.

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Old 03-29-2015, 06:21 PM   #223
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We sure will. I plan on taking photos and posting throughout the day of the survey. I hope u folks care to follow along.

Thank you Art and everyone for all positive help and words of wisdom.
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The 1999 re power twin cats have very low hours. Cats can last 20000 hrs. Why were the original engines replaced/rebuilt? If due to high hours, many other systems may also be tired from extended cruising.



Good luck

It is my understanding one engine went out. It was removed and replaced with an overhauled engine. Hours were high on the other so it was also pulled and overhauled at same time.

The washer is a joke. It is down in engine room where u have to crawl around to get to it. I think if we get boat we will take it out and sell it.

Thanks for the great post and help!
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Old 03-29-2015, 07:03 PM   #225
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It is my understanding one engine went out. It was removed and replaced with an overhauled engine. Hours were high on the other so it was also pulled and overhauled at same time.

The washer is a joke. It is down in engine room where u have to crawl around to get to it. I think if we get boat we will take it out and sell it.

Thanks for the great post and help!
How many thousands of hours were on the engines? One that went out and needed complete replacement and the other needing complete overhaul?

That boat must have a very large amount of used hours?? Find out about the transmissions. Enormous hours must be on them too... ever rebuilt or replaced with new?

I suggest complete fluid tests performed on engines and transmissions. Speak with your surveyor and/or your marine mechanic about sending the fluid samples for comprehensive tests. Results can tell a lot about actual internal conditions of mechanical apparatus.
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Taking the Plunge

Good note on trans . Samples will be taken
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:30 PM   #227
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Taking the Plunge

Survey tomorrow!!!! Anxious as a whore on nickel night.

Can't believe my PC just typed that. ;-)
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Old 03-31-2015, 10:44 PM   #228
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Looking forward to your update, George! Best of luck to you both!
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Go George - GO! But, be very careful before plunking down that big load o' cash!
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Survey tomorrow!!!! Anxious as a whore on nickel night.

Can't believe my PC just typed that. ;-)
Remember, a survey is not a pass-fail process. It's simply a report by a person who hopefully knows what to look for and knows how to recognize problems or potential problems.

It's up to YOU to take the surveyors' reports and decide if the the boat passes or fails.

Also know that most surveyors tend to specialize in either hull/systems or engines. So in most cases, it's wise to get both a hull/systems surveyor and an engine surveyor involved.

When we had the boat we subsequently bought surveyed, the first surveyor scheduled was the engine surveyor. He did his work with the main engines and generator while the boat was in the water (obviously). The hull surveyor then showed up and did the first part of his survey while the boat was still in the water. Then he had the boat pulled, and he finished up his exterior hull survey when the boat had been blocked and braced in the yard.
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And, there are 2 prices. The one before, and the one after survey. both require negotiation. No matter how much you allow for some defect, cost usually exceeds allowances. You have to be firm, with the seller, and with yourself. There is always going to be another boat if this ones misses the mark and/or you can`t get proper fair allowances. You negotiate best when you are prepared to walk if they don`t meet your requests. Even then a seller may come back to you later. This is not an occasion when (except in atypical circumstances) trust in human nature is sure to be reward you.
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Old 04-01-2015, 07:07 AM   #232
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Would be interesting to look in the log and find out how many hours were "high hours", wearing out an engine.

Never heard on a cruising boat actually wearing out a diesel.

Killing it , sure no problem , but wearing it out is a Sport Fish common hassle.

Not common with a 2-5 GPH fuel burn.
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I thought we needed a Fleet Friar (FF), not to be confused with FF.
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I recommend that before final plunk-down of any meaningful purchase cash that you provide us on TF with what you and the surveyors find out about that boat. There are several very savvy boaters on TF who (as you already know) will offer their (our) free opinions. As Always - Final Call is Up to You!


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No Richard, what we need is a Fleet Fryer. We've decided that Friar George will assume both rolls.
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George, she looks good hanging in the sling. Hope all goes well for you!
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Greetings,
Mr. frg. Yes, that was me you saw when you were proceeding west up the New River AND, the boat looks good. Sorry I didn't recognize your Admiral waving. I'll try not to let it happen again...
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