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Old 08-07-2018, 10:20 PM   #61
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That got everyone's hopes up, and made sure I ALWAYS had an audience for docking maneuvers... No pressure, right? Lol. I think this time I'll tell people I'm the ship's cook.

I've had no formal captains training, but somehow I always end up driving everyone's boat... I don't know why that always happens.
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Old 08-07-2018, 10:41 PM   #62
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Wonderfully put.

I did much the same for five years before we bought Dauntless. However, I did not get rid of enough land stuff.

If you buy right, you can sell right.

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Thanks for the vote of confidence Dave. One mistake I learned from with my last boat, was letting too many people know what I do for a living. That got everyone's hopes up, and made sure I ALWAYS had an audience for docking maneuvers... No pressure, right? Lol. I think this time I'll tell people I'm the ship's cook.


LOL, yeah I can see that.

On my cruise a couple weeks ago I hung out at times in the pilothouse. Captainís standing orders were that no passengers were to be in the PH during anchoring, docking, crossing bars, or passing through narrow channels. As I got to know her I found that if I kept my mouth shut, the Captain didnít mind if I was there when she was at the helm.

As such, I had the chance to watch the Captain training one of the deckhands on how to run the boat. The deckhand has a 100 ton license herself and has hopes of becoming Mate on this vessel. A couple times I watched as the deckhand made some rather obvious errors that the Captain had to point out and correct. I felt a lot of sympathy for the deckhand as things are always harder with an audience.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence Dave. One mistake I learned from with my last boat, was letting too many people know what I do for a living. That got everyone's hopes up, and made sure I ALWAYS had an audience for docking maneuvers... No pressure, right? Lol. I think this time I'll tell people I'm the ship's cook.
No matter what you say you do on the ship, the other boaters will expect a lot from you. That's just how people are. They respect you more. They will seek you out for advice. Be happy they think so highly of you. You could tell them tell them, there is a big difference because on the ship, you do have a crew to back you up.

Do ships still have cabin boys? LOL
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Just do it, you don't even need 50k. I did it with half of that (but have had to do a lot of boat work) and have zero regret. In fact if someone told me it would be this good before I did it I would not have believed them. I'm 32 and moved in 1.5 years ago BTW.
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Do ships still have cabin boys? LOL
I wish! Alas I still have to make my own bed, and scrub my own toilet.
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Just do it, you don't even need 50k. I did it with half of that (but have had to do a lot of boat work) and have zero regret. In fact if someone told me it would be this good before I did it I would not have believed them. I'm 32 and moved in 1.5 years ago BTW.
I'm very happy to hear such a rave review, especially from someone close to my age. Thirty somethings seem to be few and far between in the liveaboard community, at least to someone on the outside. Have you met many?

Do you cruise much, or are you based at a home port? Would you mind sharing some parts that were better/worse than you expected? Anything that you didn't expect?

I definitely could do it sooner, but like you said, I'd end up doing a lot more boat work. I'm happy to do routine maintenance and repair on something that was reasonably well maintained by a previous owner, but I don't think I've got a major refit in me. I'm not that handy, and I'm not that motivated... lol. I love watching people do it on youtube, but spending a year replacing windows and seacocks and fiberglassing and sanding and painting, before I can even start using the boat, sounds just awful, lol. I'm hoping for something a little closer to 'turn key.'

I am hoping to get to the magic number ahead of schedule, though!
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I wish! Alas I still have to make my own bed, and scrub my own toilet.
So YOU are the cabin boy?!? Lololololololololol
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So YOU are the cabin boy?!? Lololololololololol

What!? Psh.... no... Iím not the... the cabin boy. YOUíRE A CABINBOY!

... sigh... Iím totally the cabin boy.

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I'm very happy to hear such a rave review, especially from someone close to my age. Thirty somethings seem to be few and far between in the liveaboard community, at least to someone on the outside. Have you met many?

Do you cruise much, or are you based at a home port? Would you mind sharing some parts that were better/worse than you expected? Anything that you didn't expect?

I definitely could do it sooner, but like you said, I'd end up doing a lot more boat work. I'm happy to do routine maintenance and repair on something that was reasonably well maintained by a previous owner, but I don't think I've got a major refit in me. I'm not that handy, and I'm not that motivated... lol. I love watching people do it on youtube, but spending a year replacing windows and seacocks and fiberglassing and sanding and painting, before I can even start using the boat, sounds just awful, lol. I'm hoping for something a little closer to 'turn key.'

I am hoping to get to the magic number ahead of schedule, though!
I'm based at a home port and the longest trip I've done in this boat is 5 hours, which would have been 45mins by car. I'm too inpatient to travel at this speed right now. Mainly I do short day trips and restuarant/bar hopping in the evening/nights. Ibwas fortunate that most of my issues were minor electrical that I figured out myself. The worst issue left to deal with is the fuel tanks, one of them has a rust hole in the top. Knowing this I just drain the racors frequently and don't top it off and it seems to be ok.
Before the boat I had an apartment on the water and I can say the boat is infinitely more fun... I was hoping it would be cheaper but honestly if you factor in the garage/shop/hangar I'm paying for and all of my upgrades/maintenance/fuel/slip/ect. It's probably not cheaper. I use my boat hard and constantly improve it though. I lot of livaboards let their boat/running gear/bottom go to shit and save money but never take their boat out.
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Have fun, good luck
Amen....And it's not just price....Brand, reputation, desirability etc weigh more than heavily into the equation..
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Amen....And it's not just price....Brand, reputation, desirability etc weigh more than heavily into the equation..
Absolutely. Perception is reality, after all.
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Dave: In my neck of the woods there's lots of liveaboards our age. But most of them have sailboats. Lol
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I hope you are following your dream. There are probably many of us that have been looking at videos of boats and wish we could just cruise off into the sunset, so to speak. For many of us, there are some little things that make it a bit complicated, such as a spouse that isn't quite as anxious to sell everything and buy a boat, family issues or even a job that isn't quite mobile. Some of us might even secretly like to leave all of that and take off on a boat and say the hell with it all.

As many have recommended, I would go for it. In a heartbeat. And I wouldn't look back.

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Dave: In my neck of the woods there's lots of liveaboards our age. But most of them have sailboats. Lol

Honestly, if air draft wasnít a consideration, and if I wasnít too chicken shit to climb a mast from time to time, Iíd probably have one too, lol.
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I hope you are following your dream. There are probably many of us that have been looking at videos of boats and wish we could just cruise off into the sunset, so to speak. For many of us, there are some little things that make it a bit complicated, such as a spouse that isn't quite as anxious to sell everything and buy a boat, family issues or even a job that isn't quite mobile. Some of us might even secretly like to leave all of that and take off on a boat and say the hell with it all.



As many have recommended, I would go for it. In a heartbeat. And I wouldn't look back.



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Thanks Mark. Iím sure youíre right. It is an awfully romantic idea, isnít it? I try to regularly remind myself that itís not going to be all peaches and cream.

Iím still on track, though. In fact, Iím a little ahead of schedule at this point, so hopefully I can keep that up and get aboard sooner than planned.

Yesterday I did a little reality-check exercise. I found the boat I was most likely to buy if I was ready to move aboard today, and made a list of all the things Iíd want to buy to make her my own. Then I went to Defender and put all of those things in my cart. The total came to 18k lol.

I may have gotten slightly carried away...
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Yesterday I did a little reality-check exercise. I found the boat I was most likely to buy if I was ready to move aboard today, and made a list of all the things Iíd want to buy to make her my own. Then I went to Defender and put all of those things in my cart. The total came to 18k lol.

I may have gotten slightly carried away...
Wifey B: But making it your own is important. I know people often say wait, but that's really more major things and I think it's important on a boat or house or anything to add those touches that make it your boat rather than Mr. Previous Owner's boat. That's the difference in owning and chartering. It's hanging your own pictures, your own living room pillows, your own bedspread and comforter, your own special chair on the aft deck, but it's also other things like the charter you really like or a different shower head or a different head. To some it's a special coffee maker. But I think it's wise you've priced those things a bit. You can always cull the cart a bit but good to identify it all.
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Yesterday I did a little reality-check exercise. I found the boat I was most likely to buy if I was ready to move aboard today, and made a list of all the things Iíd want to buy to make her my own. Then I went to Defender and put all of those things in my cart. The total came to 18k lol.
When I bought this boat in July 2015, I considered it to be in excellent shape (except the genny), but I wanted to make some improvements to make it a more reliable mini-cruiser instead of a marina hopper. I had the fresh-in-my-mind example of the trawler I had just sold on which I lavished money for 29 years.

I brought the boat home; put it in the new lift; and I did not run it again for three months until I got the first round of improvements done. Then I took a few months break while I ran the dog-doo out of it considering the next round of improvements. Now 3.25 years later, I am at $12.2K into material bought for improvements (all labor is zero dollars) plus $5.1K for the new generator. So 18K does not sound terrible for an older trawler.

Remember, you won't be spending it all at once but rather dribble it out as you find time and energy to make the individual improvements.
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Wifey B: But making it your own is important. I know people often say wait, but that's really more major things and I think it's important on a boat or house or anything to add those touches that make it your boat rather than Mr. Previous Owner's boat. That's the difference in owning and chartering. It's hanging your own pictures, your own living room pillows, your own bedspread and comforter, your own special chair on the aft deck, but it's also other things like the charter you really like or a different shower head or a different head. To some it's a special coffee maker. But I think it's wise you've priced those things a bit. You can always cull the cart a bit but good to identify it all.
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When I bought this boat in July 2015, I considered it to be in excellent shape (except the genny), but I wanted to make some improvements to make it a more reliable mini-cruiser instead of a marina hopper. I had the fresh-in-my-mind example of the trawler I had just sold on which I lavished money for 29 years.

I brought the boat home; put it in the new lift; and I did not run it again for three months until I got the first round of improvements done. Then I took a few months break while I ran the dog-doo out of it considering the next round of improvements. Now 3.25 years later, I am at $12.2K into material bought for improvements (all labor is zero dollars) plus $5.1K for the new generator. So 18K does not sound terrible for an older trawler.

Remember, you won't be spending it all at once but rather dribble it out as you find time and energy to make the individual improvements.
I think less than a third of the stuff on that list would be the sort of stuff I'd want to get right away. Mostly safety stuff like life jackets, flares, PLBs, bilge pumps and detectors various. There would be a few creature comfort items for sure, and stuff I'd use every day, like galleyware.

A few of the things I added to the cart were big ticket 'nice to have' items. I threw a couple of anchors in there, a new dinghy and outboard, and a new radar/chartplotter system. There's a very good chance that I won't need to buy any of that stuff right off the bat, and I'm sure I could get better deals on most of it just by doing a little more research.

I am glad that I took the time to familiarize myself with some of the prices though.
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Yesterday I did a little reality-check exercise. I found the boat I was most likely to buy if I was ready to move aboard today, and made a list of all the things Iíd want to buy to make her my own. Then I went to Defender and put all of those things in my cart. The total came to 18k lol.

I may have gotten slightly carried away...


What you THINK you need or want, and what you ACTUALLY need or want are two very, VERY different things.

You know my story, its been about a month and a half now. When we started doing thing this, I'm sure that I could have come up with 18K worth of stuff that I thought I'd need as well.

As it turns out, I don't NEED anything that I thought I would - right now, this minute, today. Part of the fun that I've found so far is having little projects to work on here and there. Sure I want to build and NMEA2000 network, get new furniture for the aft deck, redo some of the wiring in the helm, etc etc etc, but the fact of the matter is that the engines run, the water and lights work, and we're good.

The internet has a very persistent way of scaring people out of doing things. No one ever gives you a reason TO DO something, but they give you 50 million reasons HOW to do something, or HOW NOT to do something.

Find you a boat that floats, and has an engine that runs. That's all you need. The rest is an adventure. Go for it!
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