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Old 08-29-2011, 10:30 PM   #1
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Live aboard "Simulator"

We seem to get posts now and then from folks wanting to buy a trawler and live aboard...frankly, a dream of mine at some point in life if things work out that way. *For now I will be happy part-time living aboard and spending many long weekends on the water. *I can identify with a lot of the stuff in this "Simulator" though, as I am sure most any experienced boater can. *Somehow though, it is all worth it. you go....


"The Liveaboard Simulato<strong style="color:#000000;background-color:#a0ffff;">r[/b]"*

Just for fun, park your cars in the lot of the convenience store*
at least 2 blocks from your house. (Make believe the sidewalk is a*
floating dock between your car and the house.*

Move yourself and your family (If applicable) into 2 bedrooms and 1*
bathroom. Measure the DECK space INSIDE your boat. Make sure the*
occupied house has no more space, or closet space, or drawer space.*

Boats don't have room for "beds", as such. Fold your Sealy*
Posturepedic up against a wall, it won't fit on a boat. Go to a hobby*
fabric store and buy a foam pad 5' 10" long and 4' wide AND NO MORE*
THAN 3" THICK. Cut it into a triangle so the little end is only 12"*
wide. This simulates the foam pad in the V-berth up in the pointy bow*
of the sailboat. Bring in the kitchen table from the kitchen you're*
not allowed to use. Put the pad UNDER the table, on the floor, so you*
can simulate the 3' of headroom over the pad.*
Block off both long sides of the pad, and the pointy end so you have*
to climb aboard the V-berth from the wide end where your pillows will*
be. The hull blocks off the sides of a V-berth and you have to climb*
up over the end of it through a narrow opening (hatch to main cabin)*
on a boat. You'll climb over your mate's head to go to the potty in*
the night. No fun for either party. Test her mettle and resolve by*
getting up this way right after you go to bed at night. There are lots*
of things to do on a boat and you'll forget at least one of them,*
thinking about it laying in bed, like "Did I remember to tie off the*
dingy better?" or "Is that spring line (at the dock) or anchor line*
(anchored out) as tight as it should be?" Boaters who don't worry*
about things like this laying in bed are soon aground or on*
fire or the laughing stock of an anchorage.... You need to find out*
how much climbing over her she will tolerate BEFORE you're stuck with*
a big boat and big marina bills and she refuses to sleep aboard it any*

Bring a coleman stove into the bathroom and set it next to the*
bathroom sink. Your boat's sink is smaller, but we'll let you use the*
bathroom sink, anyways. Do all your cooking in the bathroom, WITHOUT*
using the bathroom power vent. If you have a boat vent, it'll be a*
useless 12v one that doesn't draw near the air your bathroom power*
vent draws to take away cooking odors. Leave the hall door open to*
simulate the open hatch. Take all the screens off your 2 bedroom's*
windows. Leave the windows open to let in the bugs that will invade*
your boat at dusk, and the flies attracted to the cooking.*

Borrow a 25 gallon drum mounted on a trailer. Flush your*
toilets into the drums. Trailer the drums to the convenience store to*
dump them when they get full. Turn off your sewer, you won't have*
one. This will simulate going to the "pump out station" every time the*
tiny drum is full. 25 gallons is actually LARGER than most holding*
They're more like 15 gallons on small sailboats under 40' because they*
were added to the boat after the law changed requiring them and there*
was no place to put it or a bigger one. They fill up really fast if*

Unless your boat is large enough to have a big "head" with full bath,*
make believe your showers/bathtubs don't work. Make a deal with*
someone next door to the convenience store to use THEIR bathroom for*
bathing at the OTHER end of the DOCK. (Marina rest room) If you use*
this rest room to potty, while you're there, make believe it has no*
paper towels or toilet paper. Bring your own. Bring your own soap*
and anything else you'd like to use there, too.*

If your boat HAS a shower in its little head, we'll let you use the*
shower end of the bathtub, but only as much tub as the boat has FREE*
shower space*
for standing to shower. As the boat's shower drains into a little pan*
in the bilge, be sure to leave the soapy shower water in the bottom of*
the tub for a few days before draining it. Boat shower sumps always*
smell like spent soap growing exotic living organisms science hasn't*
actually discovered or named, yet. Make sure your simulated V-berth is*
less than 3' from this soapy water for sleeping. The shower sump is*
under the passageway to the V-berth next to your pillows.*

Run you whole house through a 20 amp breaker to simulate available*
dock power at the marina. If you're thinking of anchoring out, turn*
off the main breaker and "make do" with a boat battery and*
flashlights. Don't forget you have to heat your house on this 20A*
supply and try to keep the water from freezing in winter.*

Turn off the water main valve in front of your house. Run a hose from*
your neighbor's lawn spigot over to your lawn spigot and get all your*
water from there. Try to keep the hose from freezing all winter.*

As your boat won't have a laundry, disconnect yours. Go to a boat*
supply place, like West Marine, and buy you a dock cart. Haul ALL*
your supplies, laundry, garbage, etc. between the car at the*
convenience store and house in this cart. Once a week, haul your*
outboard motor to the car, leave it a day then haul it back to the*
house, in the cart, to simulate "boat problems" that require "boat*
parts" to be removed/replaced on your "dock". If ANYTHING ever comes*
out of that cart between the convenience store and the house, put it*
in your garage and forget about it. (Simulates losing it over the*
side of the dock, where it sank in 23' of water and was dragged off by*
the current.)*

Each morning, about 5AM, have someone you don't know run a weedeater*
back and forth under your bedroom windows to simulate the fishermen*
leaving the marina to go fishing. Have him slam trunk lids, doors,*
blow car horns and bang some heavy pans together from 4AM to 5AM*
before lighting off the weedeater. (Simulates loading boats*
with booze and fishing gear and gas cans.) Once a week, have him bang*
the running weedeater into your bedroom wall to simulate the idiot who*
drove his boat into the one you're sleeping in because he was half*
asleep leaving the dock. Put a rope over a big hook in the ceiling*
over your "bed". Put a sheet of plywood under your pad with a place*
to hook a rope to one side or the other. Hook one end of the rope*
to the plywood hook and the other end out where he can pull on it.*
As soon as he shuts off the weedeater, have him pull hard 9 times*
on the rope to tilt your bed at least 30 degrees. (Simulates the wakes of*
the fishermen blasting off trying to beat each other to the fishing.)*
Anytime there is a storm in your area, have someone constantly pull on*
the rope. It's rough riding storms in the marina or anchored out! If your*
boat is a sailboat, install a big wire from the top of the tallest tree*
to your electrical ground in the house to simulate mast lightning strikes*
in the marina, or to give you the thought of potential lightning strikes.*

Each time you "go out", or think of going boating away from your*
marina, disconnect the neighbor's water hose, your electric wires, all*
the umbilicals your new boat will use to make life more bearable in*
the marina.*
Use bottled drinking water for 2 days for everything. Get one of those*
5 gallon jugs with the airpump on top from a bottled water company.*
This is your boat's "at sea" water system*<strong style="color:#000000;background-color:#a0ffff;">simulator[/b]. You'll learn to*
conserve water this way. Of course, not having the marina's AC power*
supply, you'll be lighting and all from a car battery, your only*
source of power. If you own or can borrow a generator, feel free to*
leave it running to provide AC power up to the limit of the generator.*
If you're thinking about a 30' sailboat, you won't have room for a*
generator so don't use it.*

Any extra family members must be sleeping on the settees in the main*
cabin or in the quarter berth under the cockpit....unless you intend*
to get a boat over 40-something feet with an aft cabin. Smaller boats*
have quarter berths. Cut a pad out of the same pad material that is no*
more than 2' wide by 6' long. Get a cardboard box from an appliance*
store that a SMALL refridgerator came in. Put the pad in the box, cut*
to fit, and make sure only one end of the box is open. The box can be*
no more than 2 feet above the pad. Quarter berths are really tight.*
Make them sleep in there, with little or no air circulation. That's*
what sleeping in a quarterberth is all about.*

Of course, to simulate sleeping anchored out for the weekend, no heat*
or air conditioning will be used and all windows will be open without*
screens so the bugs can get in.*

In the mornings, everybody gets up and goes out on the patio to enjoy*
the sunrise. Then, one person at a time goes back inside to dress,*
shave, clean themselves in the tiny cabin unless you're a family of*
nudists who don't mind looking at each other in the buff. You can't*
get dressed in the stinky little head with the door closed on a*
sailboat. Hell, there's barely room to bend over so you can sit on the*
commode. So, everyone will dress in the main at a time.*

Boat tables are 2' x 4' and mounted next to the settee. There's no*
room for chairs in a boat. So, eat off a 2X4' space on that kitchen*
table you slept under while sitting on a couch (settee*<strong style="color:#000000;background-color:#a0ffff;">simulator[/b]). You*
can also go out with breakfast and sit on the patio (cockpit), if you*

Ok, breakfast is over. Crank up the lawnmower under the window for 2*
hours. It's time to recharge the batteries from last night's usage and*
to freeze the coldplate in the boat's icebox which runs off a*
compressor on the engine. Get everybody to clean up your little hovel.*
Don't forget to make the beds from ONE END ONLY. You can't get to the*
other 3 sides of a boat bed pad.*

All hands go outside and washdown the first fiberglass UPS truck that*
passes by. That's about how big the deck is on your 35' sailboat that*
needs to have the ocean cleaned off it daily or it'll turn the white*
fiberglass all brown like the UPS truck. Now, doesn't the UPS truck*
look nice like your main deck?*

Ok, we're going to need some food, do the laundry, buy some boat parts*
that failed because the manufacturer's bean counters got cheap and*
used plastics and the wife wants to "eat out, I'm fed up with cooking*
on the Coleman stove" today. Let's make believe we're not at home, but*
in some exotic port like Ft Lauderdale, today....on our cruise to Key*
West......Before "going ashore", plan on buying all the food you'll*
want to eat that will:*
A - Fit into the Coleman Cooler on the floor*
B - You can cook on the Coleman stove without an oven or all those*
kitchen tools you don't have on the boat*
C - And will last you for 10 days, in case the wind drops and it takes*
more time than we planned at sea.*
Plan meals carefully in a boat. We can't buy more than we can STORE,*

You haven't washed clothes since you left home and everything is*
dirty. Even if it's not, pretend it is for the boater-away-from-home*
simulator.*Put all the clothes in your simulated boat in a huge*
dufflebag so we can take it to the LAUNDRY! Manny's Marina HAS a*
laundromat, but the hot water heater is busted (for the last 8 months)*
and Manny has "parts on order" for it.....saving Manny $$$$ on the*
electric bill! Don't forget to carry the big dufflebag with us on our*
"excursion". God that bag stinks, doesn't it?....PU!*

Of course, we came here by BOAT, so we don't have a car. Some nice*
marinas have a shuttle bus, but they're not a taxi. The shuttle bus*
will only go to West Marine or the tourist traps, so we'll be either*
taking the city bus, if there is one or taxi cabs or shopping at the*
marina store which has almost nothing to buy at enormous prices.*

Walk to the 7-11 store, where you have your car stored, but ignore the*
Make believe it isn't there. No one drove it to Ft Lauderdale for you.*
Use the payphone at the 7-11 and call a cab. Don't give the cab driver*
ANY instructions because in Ft Lauderdale you haven't the foggiest*
idea where West Marine is located or how to get there, unlike at home.*
We'll go to West Marine, first, because if we don't the "head" back on*
the boat won't be working for a week because little Suzy broke a valve*
in it trying to flush some paper towels. This is your MOST important*
project, today....that valve in the toilet!! After the cab drivers*
drives around for an hour looking for West Marine and asking his*
dispatcher how to get there. Don't forget to UNLOAD your stuff from*
the cab, including the dirty clothes in the dufflebag then go into*
West Marine and give the clerk a $100 bill, simulating the cost of*
toilet parts. Lexus parts are cheaper than toilet parts at West*
Marine. See for yourself! The valve she broke, the*
seals that will have to be replaced on the way into the valve will*
come to $100 easy. Tell the clerk you're using my*liveaboard simulator
and to take his girlfriend out to dinner on your $100 greenback. If*
you DO buy the boat, this'll come in handy when you DO need boat parts*
because he'll remember you for the great time his girlfriend gave him*
on your $100 tip.*
Hard-to-find boat parts will arrive in DAYS, not months like the rest*
of us. It's just a good political move while in simulation mode.*

Call another cab from West Marine's phone, saving 50c on payphone*
Load the cab with all your stuff, toilet parts, DIRTY CLOTHES then*
tell the cabbie to take you to the laundromat so we can wash the*
stinky clothes in the trunk. The luxury marina's laundry in Ft*
Lauderdale has a broken hot water heater. They're working on it, the*
girl at the store counter, said, yesterday. Mentioning the $12/ft you*
paid to park the boat at their dock won't get the laundry working*
before we leave for Key West. Do your laundry in the laundromat the*
cabbie found for you. Just because noone speaks English in this*
neighborhood, don't worry. You'll be fine this time of day near noon.*

Call another cab to take us out of here to a supermarket. When you get*
there, resist the temptation to "load up" because your boat has*
limited storage and very limited refridgeration space (remember?*
Coleman Cooler).*
Buy from the list we made early this morning. Another package of*
cookies is OK. Leave one of the kids guarding the pile of clean*
laundry just inside the supermarket's front door....We learned our*
lesson and DIDN'T forget and leave it in the cab, again!*

Call another cab to take us back to the marina, loaded up with clean*
clothes and food and all-important boat parts. Isn't Ft Lauderdale*
beautiful from a cab? It's too late to go exploring, today. Maybe*
tomorrow.... Don't forget to tell the cab to go to the 7-11 (marina*
parking lot)....not your front door....cabs don't float well.*

Ok, haul all the stuff in the dock cart from the 7-11 store the two*
blocks to the "boat" bedroom. Wait 20 minutes before starting out for*
the house.*
This simulates waiting for someone to bring back a marina-owned dock*
cart from down the docks.....They always leave them outside their*
boats, until the marina "crew" get fed up with newbies like us asking*
why there aren't any carts and go down the docks to retrieve them.*

Put all the stuff away, food and clothes, in the tiny drawer space*
provided. Have a beer on the patio (cockpit) and watch the sunset.*
THIS is living!*

Now, disassemble the toilet in your bathroom, take out the wax ring*
under it and put it back. Reassemble the toilet. This completes the*
simulation of putting the new valve in the "head" on the boat. Uh, uh,*
GET YOUR HAND OFF THAT SWITCH! The whole "boat" smells like the inside*
of the holding tank for hours after fixing the toilet in a real boat,*
too! Spray some Lysol if you got it....*

After getting up, tomorrow morning, from your "V-Berth", take the*
whole family out to breakfast by WALKING to the nearest restaurant,*
then take a cab to any local park or attraction you like. We're off*
today to see the sights of Ft Lauderdale.....before heading out to*
sea, again, to Key West.*
Take a cab back home after dinner out and go to bed, exhausted, on*
your little foam pad under the table.....*

Get up this morning and disconnect all hoses, electrical wires, etc.*
Get ready for "sea". Crank up the lawn mower under the open bedroom*
window for 4 hours while we motor out to find some wind. ONE*
responsible adult MUST be sitting on the hot patio all day, in shifts,*
"on watch" looking out for other boats, ships, etc. If you have a*
riding lawn mower, let the person "on watch" drive it around the yard*
all day to simulate driving the boat down the ICW in heavy traffic.*
About 2PM, turn off the engine and just have them sit on the mower*
"steering" it on the patio. We're under sail, now. Every hour or so,*
take everyone out in the yard with a big rope and have a tug-of-war to*
simulate the work involved with setting sail, changing sail, trimming*
sail. Make sure everyone gets all sweaty in the heat.*
Sailors working on sailboats are always all sweaty or we're not going*
anywhere fast! Do this all day, today, all night, tonight, all day,*
tomorrow, all night tomorrow night and all day the following day until*
5PM when you "arrive" at the next port you're going to. Make sure*
noone in the family leaves the confines of the little bedroom or the*
patio during our "trip". Make sure everyone conserves water, battery*
power, etc., things you'll want to conserve while being at sea on a*
trip somewhere. Everyone can go up to the 7-11 for an icecream as soon*
as we get the "boat" docked on day 3, the first time anyone has left*
the confines of the bedroom/patio in 3 days.*

Question - Was anyone suicidal during our simulated voyage? Keep an*
eye out for anyone with a problem being cooped up with other family*
members. If anyone is attacked, any major fights break out, any*
threats to throw the captain to the fish.....forget all about boats*
and buy a motorhome, instead.*

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Old 08-30-2011, 04:28 AM   #2
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Tony,** You win the honesty award!** To liveaboard as simply as we do in our houses, one would need a 100' vessel and unlimited funds.

Perhaps its the challenges that make it appealing.

Without trying different things life would be pretty boring.

Nice work, but can't wait to read the feed back!


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Old 08-30-2011, 04:43 AM   #3
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Classic!! Good stuff!
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:30 AM   #4
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Just to clarify, I did not write the "Liveaboard Simulator." I stumbled upon it last night and thought it was pretty darn funny!! It had to have been written a while ago due to references to payphones and no mention of a droid, iphone, ipad, ipod, etc.

I like the part about taking apart your toilet, installing new wax ring, and reassembling. Funny stuff and it shows why a 3-5 stint on the boat makes me tired. lol
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:09 AM   #5
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

He somehow missed the yelling, cussing, and inevitable silent treatment that follows the arrival at the next port and its subsequent docking fiasco!
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Old 08-30-2011, 06:59 AM   #6
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Funny, when I read the simulator I'm like "this is crazy". But I live on my boat all summer and I just love it. Go figure.
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Old 08-30-2011, 07:20 AM   #7
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Woodsong wrote:
Just to clarify, I did not write the "Liveaboard Simulator." I stumbled upon it last night and thought it was pretty darn funny!!

Whew, Tony glad you cleared that up. I was starting to get worried about you.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:03 AM   #8
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

As my son would say, LMAO, but brought back those fond memories of that year I lived on my boat (divorce does that to you some times.)*

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Old 08-30-2011, 12:50 PM   #9
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That might be Larry Zeitlin's work. He hangs out on T&T but I don't think has made it over here.
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Old 08-30-2011, 01:30 PM   #10
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Ahoy Woodsong

Great Simulation Story, re extended time aboard an uncomfortable,*30 foot, s-l-o-w moven, "Wind-Wanten" sail boat!* True story, but it simply aint my style!!

That is EXACTLY the reason we own and love cruisen/hooken aboard our 1977, fully fiberglass, 34 foot, completely self contained, twin screw, planning hull, Tri Cabin, Tollycraft that can do 2.5 nmpg at 6.7 knts (a bit below true hull speed), or 1 nmpg at 16 to 17 knts on a*full plane... with a 650 lb, 14 foot*tow behind, comfortable 4 seater, 50 hp Johnson o/b runabout having full windshield and snap-sealed bimini that does 38 knts WOT and cruises at 27 knts for 20 + nmpg to visit close-by areas or to simply go gunk holen!

And yes, Ive spent some time aboard sail boats and I well remember Atlantic coast sailing... but... power boats are my BIG preference.* Especially now that we dock in and cruise throughout*the 1,100 mile labyrinth of hundreds of small islands with*relatively narrow*canals inside the*beautiful warm freshwaters of*SF Bay's Delta.*

A little background to my power boating experiences:***


After family had been in a 17 foot*25 hp Johnson o/b with small cabin since before my berth in April 1952... in mid 1950s, when we three brothers were around*2, 4, and 10... (Im the middle one) with parents in their 40's... the o/b became too small and was replaced.* Thereafter for several years during spring, summer, fall on LI, NY south shore*we spent just about*every weekend (2 to 3 nights and days) in Zachs Bay, Gilgo Harbor, or Short Beach aboard our beloved 1948, 23 foot, single screw, 115 hp straignt 6 cyl Chrysler Crown powered, sleeping cabin V berth, head, galley and convertible dining table with full rear bench ample cockpit room to boot Chris Craft Express Cruiser.* Also, each summer we all would go on vacation in this CC Express Cruiser for 2 to 4 weeks of full on cruising and anchor outs at harbors up the coast and back again.* Honestly WE HAD A FREEKIN BLAST!!* We eventually out grew that darling little craft it was a damn good boat!* Next one was a 1961 Johnson Brothers 34 foot*lapstreak single screw.* That was not loved by our family and was replaced within a year or two!* BTW, lapstreak is simply too noisy for sleeping purposes out in the bays that experience waves.* Next one (which I was then old enough to fully help dad restore) was a FANTASTICALLY DESIGNED custom built 1951, single screw, 37 foot, one-off, raised deck sport fisher convertible/sedan with a big fly bridge.* After a year of use we ripped out her original straight 6 cyl 155 hp Nordberg Knight gasser and replaced it with a brand new 185 hp Perkins diesel.* Man that baby cruised so nice at 12 to 13 knts.* She had a semi-displacement hull that simply slid through the water.* I recall marine gas then was only 0.29 and diesel was a low as 0.19 per gal. *Older brother was already out of house and we four remaining family members spent some great and comfortable long duration cruises in that beauty of a boat!* I dont recall what her actual nmpg was (I guess near 2 nmpg??), but I do clearly remember per fill up cost on our trips being under $30... She held 150 gal and dad liked 30% minimum reserve at fill up time.* We used well marked straight stick as fuel level tester; always knew exactly what amount of fuel was in tank.* Didnt even have a fuel gauge! *Those WERE TRULY THE YEARS for inexpensive power boat cruising!!
These days, with 200 gal capacity in our Tolly, even holding to dads rule of 30% reserve (to which I do still adhere) I can drop $700 at fill up! - - > OUCHHHH!!! **Thats why we have the tow behind o/b to scat around at 20 + nmpg
Happy Boat Life & Cruisen/Hooken Daze To Everyone!! - Art and Linda! *


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Old 08-31-2011, 08:46 AM   #11
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RE: Live aboard "Simulator"

Its not quite that bad!* We have been a live aboard for 14 years, so we are use to it and know what to expect.* However, the Eagle is 58 ft, 650 square ft, 3 bedrooms, 2 baths, 400 gallon of water, diesel heat, and has creature comforts of most condos.** The longest walk we have had is about 200 ft.* Our present slip is the first slip in side the gate and the marina restrooms are 100 ft outside the gate. *
In the winter we keep the water tanks full, conserve water which can last for about 1 month.* The AC dock power can be out up to two weeks.** The battery bank is three 8-D batteries which can power the Webasto diesel heater and get us through the cold winter night. To recharge we run the gen set 4 hour in the morning, 2 hour in the after noon 4 hours in the evening.*** *
We tried moving back to land but had to hard a time adjusting.* We moving the furniture into the center of the room so we did not have to yell, raised the bed up so it was closer to the ceiling*and to store stuff under the bed,* about drowned taking a shower with all the water, * with out volt/amp meter could not tell how much electricity was being used, had a heart attack when we received the first electric bill,**convert the large walk in closet to guest bed room, with no rocking motion could not sleep, we cold not figure out why there was a macerator in the kitchen sink?***Two weeks living on the dirt was to stressful, so we move back onto the boat.**

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