Best live aboard trawler for <$40,000? - Page 6

nuccifilms · 10-13-2016, 02:06 AM

couldn't find grand banks and sea ranger in the low 30s in length, also i couldn't seem to come up with defever in 2010 or newer

20 or so years ago i'm sure i was the guy searching for a deal on a 30 year old, 40'-60' castle on the sea. now, this old guy just wants a 5 yr old, 30 footer he can cast a line out just a few miles from the marina.

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Originally Posted by garrobito

Sticking with original question.. Grand Banks, followed close by Defever and Sea Ranger... No trawler just for coastal and lakes, Bluewater

garrobito · 10-13-2016, 09:44 AM

humm.. under 30 or close (for me) it's very small for living everyday... I would suggest a minimum 40' or close in order to get a more comfortable space...

nuccifilms · 10-13-2016, 10:32 AM

a good percentage of boaters feel your way. i, on the other hand, spent 10 years in an 80 sqft apt (8x10) and loved every minute of it. of course, i had the whole city of NYC, but here we'll have a condo a short distance from our marina. i go along with the adage, "don't buy the biggest boat you can afford, get the smallest one that suits your needs" i've separated needs from wants, and know that boats are an expense by the foot. i've been a slave to managing and maintaining all my properties most my adult life. it will be a relief for me to be back to a spartan lifestyle.

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Originally Posted by garrobito

humm.. under 30 or close (for me) it's very small for living everyday... I would suggest a minimum 40' or close in order to get a more comfortable space...

Phil Fill · 10-13-2016, 12:15 PM

Rather than focus on the original cost of the boat might be better to look at the cash flow and overall cost from buying to selling the boat especially if on a tight budget and or cash. The main reason is banks will not loan for maintenance and or up grades, but they will for buying the boat. Also if you can buy a boat that you can start using and enjoying.

Also most marines do not allow fixer up boats and or limited working on them at the dock. Further more live aboard moorage is limited so you want to stay in the good graces of the Marian. So a low original cost may not be the deciding factor or the way to go. Lastly being a live aboard many times is not as cheap as living on land or as cheap as people think. Remember cash is king so don't be catch short.

Lastly most boats do not make a good live a board in the pnw, as there are few year around full time live a board's.

nuccifilms · 10-13-2016, 12:58 PM

i agree pretty much with everything you say. however, my choice of going small is purely in terms of upkeep, and possible accessible to some smaller ports. also, a smaller, easier to manage boat may buy me a few extra years on the water in my old age? does that make more sense to your perspective?

there are few liveaboards in the philippines. i think for most, that's all the indication not to pursue. it's just not my personality to leave it there. i've heard 100 times in my life someone say "i had no idea you could do that?" and i'd reply. "and if i went by popular opinion, i sure i couldn't" anyway, i'll be visiting again in 6 months, this time i'll spend most of my time at the marinas, talking to the few american, liveaboard, retirees, who are there living my dream.

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Originally Posted by Phil Fill

Rather than focus on the original cost of the boat might be better to look at the cash flow and overall cost from buying to selling the boat especially if on a tight budget and or cash. The main reason is banks will not loan for maintenance and or up grades, but they will for buying the boat. Also if you can buy a boat that you can start using and enjoying.

Also most marines do not allow fixer up boats and or limited working on them at the dock. Further more live aboard moorage is limited so you want to stay in the good graces of the Marian. So a low original cost may not be the deciding factor or the way to go. Lastly being a live aboard many times is not as cheap as living on land or as cheap as people think. Remember cash is king so don't be catch short.

Lastly most boats do not make a good live a board in the pnw, as there are few year around full time live a board's.

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nuccifilms

our condo is in cebu, philippines. the logistics and steps of having a liveaboard vessel in that area is a whole big topic of discussion itself. even though the country is made up of over 6,000 islands, my main use of my vessel would be as a houseboat. i may change my berths from time to time, but just a few miles from my marina for some fishing and open sea is all i need to mark a perfect day.

Have to think about that one for awhile.

One think that comes to mind is security of anything on-board ( I lived and worked in SE Asia, and I have a wife in Thailand). Thief is a normal occurrence.

And a second one is hurricane damage to the investment. The Philippines gets hit hard and often.

Oops I answered your quote above before I saw the other discussions

Donna · 10-14-2016, 05:05 PM

Hi Dan,

I am currently working on a 36' Marine Trader Sundeck. I bought her oh about 8 weeks ago. It is a lot of work. Be prepared to roll up your sleeves and open your wallet. Everything costs about double of what you expect.

I was in the 50,000 range. Don't get me wrong, it can be done. My boat has 2 staterooms, 2 heads, a huge galley and salon. If I wanted to live on it, I absolutely could. There would be plenty of room for 2 and my little dog.

My main checklist was not cosmetic. I can do all that myself plus minor engine maintenance. My concern was the engine. As long as that was sound along with other major systems including the hull on pullout, I knew I was good to go.

Still even today as I have the bright work in my garage working on it, on my mind are a million and one other things that I need to do on it.

Good luck on your search!

Sailor of Fortune · 10-14-2016, 05:14 PM

Just don't ever think your "Done", Donna. Its a boat, they are never done.... just more ready than they were, lol.

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 05:25 PM

nuccifilms
Maybe consider a 'local boat'

Probably a bit more boat than you want, but sure could be made comfortable,....and twin diesel engines....for 20k or negotiable...

https://www.olx.ph/item/for-sale-fis...fff#62648befff

and another
https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=458882

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 05:43 PM

Or perhaps you could find somethine like this in Thailand,
Trawler Forum - View Single Post - Redesigning the Pilgrim 40 Trawler / Canal Boat

or have one built in Cebu area where there are a number of builders as I understand it.

nuccifilms · 10-14-2016, 05:45 PM

one thing about philippines is i've had some good experiences regarding theft. i find a lot of good people there. i'm sure i got some nephews that will be boat sitting 24/7 i'm looking at the most typhoon safe marinas, Atlas insurance and wil continue to investigate on that.

there are no obstacles, only challeges to overcome.

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

Have to think about that one for awhile.

One think that comes to mind is security of anything on-board ( I lived and worked in SE Asia, and I have a wife in Thailand). Thief is a normal occurrence.

And a second one is hurricane damage to the investment. The Philippines gets hit hard and often.

Oops I answered your quote above before I saw the other discussions

nuccifilms · 10-14-2016, 05:52 PM

as i become better informed (a work in progress) what i currently like are the 34' ameilcan and nordic tugs with raised pilot houses. getting exactly what i want won't be possible by local purchase. i got time to learn all i can to accomplish my goal.

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

nuccifilms
Maybe consider a 'local boat'

Probably a bit more boat than you want, but sure could be made comfortable,....and twin diesel engines....for 20k or negotiable...

https://www.olx.ph/item/for-sale-fis...fff#62648befff

and another
https://www.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=458882

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 06:19 PM

How about this powercat

HK 40 Hong Kong powercat
Multis for sale

There were two versions of this same design that had a sail rig added to them.
HK40
Aftmast rigs??? - Page 29 - Boat Design Forums

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 06:32 PM

BTW I started a whole subject thread on powercats
Powercat Trawlers

How about a little smaller version of this 'picnic/weekender' I saw in Thailand
Trawler Forum - View Single Post - Powercat Trawlers
Two of these do charter business there, and they were built of wood. Could be built of duflex panels or nidacore panels.

brian eiland · 10-14-2016, 06:53 PM

Another small powercat appeared on this forum.
http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/a...chmentid=50032

nuccifilms · 10-15-2016, 09:10 PM

i don't know enough on the pros and cons of powercats to give a fully vented answer. but what my gut tells me so far is, a double hull means; several small berth spaces, not me at all. also, the philippine marinas i will be looking for mooring will be quite limited as it is. adding to that a double hull, may make this obstacle even more difficult. thirdly, the powercats i've seen look pricey. i'm not one of those that's looking to be a slave to owning as much boat as i can afford. a 10 year old, seaworthy tug with one engine, decent galley, 1 head and 1 berth is what i came up with. there's time for me to study the powercat, but those are my initial concerns.

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

How about this powercat

HK 40 Hong Kong powercat
Multis for sale

There were two versions of this same design that had a sail rig added to them.
HK40
Aftmast rigs??? - Page 29 - Boat Design Forums

nuccifilms · 10-15-2016, 09:58 PM

i'm not looking for opulence. just all the modern conveniences of full bathroom, hot running water, air conditioning, electric, wifi, nice sanitary metal and fiberglass compartments and surfaces are what comes to mind. a mobile studio apt. anything else is a fishing boat.

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

Or perhaps you could find somethine like this in Thailand,
Trawler Forum - View Single Post - Redesigning the Pilgrim 40 Trawler / Canal Boat

or have one built in Cebu area where there are a number of builders as I understand it.

brian eiland · 10-15-2016, 10:11 PM

Maybe one of these:
Great Harbour N37 trawler: spacious, stable, unsinkable - Great Harbour Trawlers
These people build good boats, and if you keep it in good condition it should maintain that value, particularly if it was one of the only (or few) ones over there.

With the way international shipping is these days, you could probably get a good rate to ship it out of Jacksonville FL

nuccifilms · 10-16-2016, 04:10 AM

yeah, as of now, that certainly looks like what i'm suited for.

the powercat route will get a bit more exploration before puting to rest, but that amount of boat to manage over the long run could be it's undoing. it seems the ultimate choice for a family that can afford, but i'm hoping just me and my wife can get by with a little less? they way i see it, a powercat or 40' trawler just isn't worth any extra years in delaying my retirement just for added buffer of operating capital, combine that with my theory that a bigger boat means cutting my window at the other end of my ownership, in it being physically more to manage in my old age.

i'm 51 now, and plan on giving myself a year to figure it out before "bon voyage"

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

Maybe one of these:
Great Harbour N37 trawler: spacious, stable, unsinkable - Great Harbour Trawlers
These people build good boats, and if you keep it in good condition it should maintain that value, particularly if it was one of the only (or few) ones over there.

With the way international shipping is these days, you could probably get a good rate to ship it out of Jacksonville FL

Donna · 10-16-2016, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nuccifilms

yeah, as of now, that certainly looks like what i'm suited for.

the powercat route will get a bit more exploration before puting to rest, but that amount of boat to manage over the long run could be it's undoing. it seems the ultimate choice for a family that can afford, but i'm hoping just me and my wife can get by with a little less? they way i see it, a powercat or 40' trawler just isn't worth any extra years in delaying my retirement just for added buffer of operating capital, combine that with my theory that a bigger boat means cutting my window at the other end of my ownership, in it being physically more to manage in my old age.

i'm 51 now, and plan on giving myself a year to figure it out before "bon voyage"

Sounds like you want to make the right choice and explore your options. That is a good idea. I didn't think I wanted a trawler. Guess what? I got a trawler. I am however going to relocate her at some point to St. Petes, Fl. I, like you am looking at it like a mobile apt.

Don't wait too long. It is a whole lot of fun!